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October 2, 2013  

Peters’ “Blood borders” map

On Sept. 29, veteran foreign-affairs reporter Robin Wright offered a vision for remapping the Middle East to alleviate tension. The redrawn map, she mused in the New York Times, could be “a strategic game changer for just about everybody, potentially reconfiguring alliances, security challenges, trade and energy flows for much of the world, too.” Perhaps her article and map will stir productive debate; it is certain to become a lightning rod for conspiracy theorists.

AFJ can assert this because of a very similar exercise undertaken by Army Lt. Col. (ret.) Ralph Peters in the June 2006 AFJ. In “Blood Borders”, Peters suggested that a reimagining of Middle Eastern and Asian borders along ethnic, sectarian and tribal lines might ease regional tensions. The article and the accompanying map were — and continue to be — widely taken as Washington’s blueprint for imperial meddling.

Today, the article and map remain among the most-visited pages on the AFJ website.

Middle East borders, as reimagined by Col. (ret.) Ralph Peters (2006).

Middle East borders, as reimagined by  Lt. Col. (ret.) Ralph Peters (2006).

Wrote Peters: “While the Middle East has far more problems than dysfunctional borders alone — from cultural stagnation through scandalous inequality to deadly religious extremism — the greatest taboo in striving to understand the region’s comprehensive failure isn’t Islam but the awful-but-sacrosanct international boundaries worshipped by our own diplomats. …

“The boundaries projected in the maps accompanying this article redress the wrongs suffered by the most significant ‘cheated’ population groups, such as the Kurds, Baluch and Arab Shia, but still fail to account adequately for Middle Eastern Christians, Bahais, Ismailis, Naqshbandis and many another numerically lesser minorities…”

29 comments
skeptic platano
skeptic platano

My goodness, why can't they just get along as it is?

bobbk13
bobbk13

Oddly Mr. Peters offers no invitation for foreigners to redesign our borders, even though the 13 original colonies have a huge advantage in the Senate. I am curious as to what his suggestions would be to give Americans equal power in our government. Could he draw us a map?

alaaanbar77
alaaanbar77

Revenge of Babylon

The Jews organized the 9/11 September attacks so that they could have a reason to start a war with Babylon (Iraq) to revenge of the Babylonian captivity that happened in 697 BCE and 586 BCE.

Jeremiah 50: 1-18

1-The word that the LORD spake against Babylon (Iraq)and against the land of the Chaldeans by Jeremiah the prophet.

2-Declare ye among the nations, and publish, and set up a standard; publish, and conceal not: say, Babylon is taken, Bel is confounded, Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces.

3-For out of the north (NATO , North Europe, North America)there cometh up a nation against her, which shall make her land desolate, and none shall dwell therein: they shall remove, they shall depart, both man and beast.

4- In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping (the jews are liars always complaining and make themselves as victims): they shall go, and seek the LORD their God.

9- For, lo, I will raise and cause to come up against Babylon (Iraq) an assembly of great nations from the north country ( NATO, USA, Canada, Holland, UK, Germany, Sweden, Norway, Finland (the Protestant’s countries)): and they shall set themselves in array against her; from thence she shall be taken: their arrows (rockets, aircrafts, bombs)shall be as of a mighty expert man; none shall return in vain.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_captivity

In 539 BCE the Persians, Madi (the Kurd)  and the Jews attacked Babylon. Babylon was destroyed, it had fallen.

In 2003, the Jews, Persian (Iran) and the Kurd (Madi) attacked Iraq according to the Jewish Talmud that says that Babylon will fall by these three troops, therefore Iran, The Kurd and the Jews are allied in Iraq and the Jews even built a country for the Kurd in North Iraq.

All the generals and leaders of the USA troops were Jews, for example Noah Feldman, a Jew, made the Iraqi Constitution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_Feldman

The Jews  gave North Iraq to the Kurds and the South to Iran and they made the East North border of the (great Israel) from the Ephrata River to the Neil River. The Jews divided Sudan into two pieces, before the Neil River and after the Neil River and they did it during the Jewish Felisha (Beta Israel).

Read Book of Daniel 5: 26-30

26 This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.

 27 TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.

28 PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.

29 Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and put a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom.

30 In that night was Belshazzar the king of the Chaldeans slain.

31 And Darius the Median took the kingdom, being about threescore and two years old.

Read book of Ezra 1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_Israel

The Jews next target will be Uganda, Kenya, Rwanda and Burundi as they are already behind the genocide that is happening there, and they will need to make a reason to occupy it and to build a border for the (great Israel) South of Africa before the Neil River.

alaaanbar77
alaaanbar77

It;s the jewish border or isreal border.

Read Daniel 5: 28 Peresians (Iran): Your kingdom is divided and given to the Medes (the Kurds) and Persians (Iran)."

Mansoor Jadoon
Mansoor Jadoon

Dear Mr Guest.

on the subjest of Ralph Peters being highly decorated does not mean he understands the situation on ground. if people from west keep on coming with similar stupid plans then this would only result in problems.


some genious decided what the map of India and Pakistan should be. just see the result. then see the result of your thinking in Afghanistan, Iraq, South America, Libya, Egypt.


please stop thinking for us. as each nation evolves with its own time. influencing change from outside is always bad. let people choose whats best for them. not tell them whats best for them.


as cultures, values and thinking is different for others.

Mansoor Jadoon
Mansoor Jadoon

Dear Jai Somanath;

after going through your understanding of subcontinent i believe sitting on the other side of border you lack insight on the issue, but again India is also a mash up of thousands of sectarian nations. with over two dozen groups wanting to form their own indipendent countries. best example is of Assam, Indian Punjab even the people from south dont feel fit to be part of India.

Best way to explain the situation of Kashmir is to study what happened to 

"Hyderabad State(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyderabad_State)" now part of india. Kashmir had problems long before the creation of India and Pakistan. First "Hazara" now part of Pakistan left Kashmir State and became indipendent. the British Raj send troops to reclaim it but failed twice. but eventually when it was captured after 70% of the local population was killed, the British made it part of the buffer zone that was known as NWFP. same goes for Gilgit & Baltistan.


If some genious came to realize the future and carved Pakistan out of India on the basis of differences and intolrence that would follow in future. i think it was a right decision.


Tell me if it was a one country and I wanted to have freedom to choose what I want to eat would that be possible.... I mean eat beef. even now in India in most states its illigal to slaughter cow and eat the meet. that is not the freedom i want.


Further more Gandi was a great leader along with Jinnah, but unfortunetly he was killed by RSS.


The religious intolrence has been always great in the subcontinent be it among muslims & hindus, or sunni & shia, or upper cast hindu & lower cast hindu. it has always been there it just needs a spark. like after the creation of Pakistan a train comes full of dead bodies to Pakistan. or Golden Temple Saga. Pakistan only has four major sectarian lines which can be easily handled. but how would India manage thousands. its just a matter of wind changing direction.


Baluchistan was made part of Pakistan not by force but they actually chose to be part of it. Yes Baluchistan has seen bad days but it can all change. and that change is now taking place by answering their grivences. the problem was not rest of the country but their own people. Their sardars who would take the development and loyalty money and not spend a dime on their own people. but now Pakistan is in the process of removing those same sardars and getting the development process under its own hands.


look deep inside your own cupboards skeletons before you go on to point fingers at others. kashmir would not have happened like it did, only if India would have left Hyderabad to choose its own future.

So what i mean is that its india that started all this. if India is so right about Kashmir then we should mutually agree to hold elections in whole of Kashmir on both sides of the border under UN. as per the UN resolution which was the result of Indias request and its promise. 

If Pakistan is such a failed state then why do you bother to even consider talking about us. first lean what is a failed state. Somalia, Syria, Iraq & Afghanistan are the examples of failed states.

India is the golden state at the moment not because of its greatness in the eyes of the west but as a big cattle farm which is just ripe to be plucked. its one of the biggest markets in the world just like USA used to be. and then China happened and same would happen in India. the west would love India to riyal China. but India cant become China as another name for China is order and unity learn to walk before you try to run. and dont even think of flying as humans on their own cant fly.

Pakistan learned its lessons you also need to.

SankaraMenon
SankaraMenon

@Mansoor Jadoon 

I see a very scared beggaristani ranting off with all sorts of nonsenses. Let me point out.

I will quote the relevant portions of the rant and then reply to that

“after going through your ……….. up of thousands of sectarian nations.”

Pakistan is one of the biggest producers of drugs and terrorists. So being addicted they have delusions. One of the delusions is equality. The other are a group of myths about India. It is but natural that civilisationally underdeveloped Nations view everything from the point of view of political divisions. But they forget that India has always been a single entity in many ways. A group that came into being in 7th Century and remains in a timewrap. India’s history stretches back millinia. It had great empires spanning the whole of the Greater india and right into middle East and the Northern Islamic States like Azarbaijan. This is a historic fact. In fact the civilization was so advanced that none dared to violate the code of war. Violation would have resulted in the execution of the King who violated even if he won the war. This is something primitive tribal religions cannot understand. Because Pakistan was made up of warring factions they think India too is. But the soul is ONE

with over two ……………….. feel fit to be part of India.

Being a democracy there will be tensions and fault lines whether they succeed is a different issue. Pakistan that lost out half the Nation in 1971 has always been daydreaming of cutting off at least a district from india and has been striving for almost half a century. There will always be avaricious people so there will always be people willing to scream. But there will be no results.

Best way to explain the situation of Kashmir is to study what happened to 

"Hyderabad ………………………. was known as NWFP. same goes for Gilgit & Baltistan.

Nonsense of the first order J Poor man does not know his own country’s history. NWFP was part of Punjab. Ask any pashtun why he is wearing the salwar. He will turn pale on that question. Go to a pashtoon village and watch small children crying etc. The mothers say just ONE WORD “Nalua” and they will fall silent. He was the conquorer of Afghanistan for Maharaja Ranjit Singh of Punjab.

If some genious …………. i think it was a right decision.

Yes of course it was the right decision a whole section of uncivilized tribals left India. But the bad side was that many remained back too and they are the bane we are facing.

Tell me if it was …………………….the freedom i want.

What is the law will be followed. Will my friend explain whether he can have ham and alcohol in any strict Muslim Country? I doubt. India is a Hindu majority country and cow slaughter ban has been there since 1930s. That it could not be enforced fully because of the compulsive criminal mentality of a community and now they cannot will not make it a new thing.

Further more Gandi was a great leader along with Jinnah, but unfortunetly he was killed by RSS.

This is an utter falsehood that Pakistanis and their friends in India have been spreading. Godse belonged to Hindu Mahasabha which was opposed to RSS and was led by the Communist MP (later) Nirmal Chandra Chatterjee. All attempts to implicate RSS failed despite three Judicial Commissions. But then this statement is understandable because by religious injunction lying, cheating, murder, rape etc are duties of a certain community.

The religious …………………………wind changing direction.

I see a drug induced hallucination here J I do not think a caste ridden muslim need not worry about Hindu divisions. As far as I know there are 326 sects among muslims who are constantly at war witheach other and killing each other. The stories of harras,ment of “lower castes” is a myth perpetrated by an interested section better left unnamed. My friend seems to be a pauper asfar as historical knowledge is concerned. The trains came THIS way and NOT that way. Do tell me what happened to the 25% Hindus that remained in Pakistan and how it became 1% today and also how 8% of Muslims in India became 15% and how there were THREE Muslim Presidents in India and many many other functionaries.

Baluchistan was …………………own hands.

I think my friend needs to learn history. Anyone can look up know how the Ruler of Kalat was threatened and annexed. Yes now change is happening by genocide in Baluchistan.

look deep ……………………….. Hyderabad to choose its own future.

Thats exactly what I am asking you to do LOL. The draem of getting Kashmir will end when Ralph Peters’ plan is fully implemented. Then Pakistan will be like a district of india.

So what i mean is that its india that started all this. if India is so right about Kashmir then we should mutually agree to hold elections in whole of Kashmir on both sides of the border under UN. as per the UN resolution which was the result of Indias request and its promise. Well!! You are entitled to your views. Let me make it clear the story of plebiscite died when Pakistan did not comply with the UN resolutions and withdraw. Now after 68 years it is impossible and it has been so recognized by UN and Bhutto by signing the Simla Pact gave up all rights to ask for Plebicite.

If Pakistan is such …………….. are the examples of failed states.

That’s because it is the incubator of terrorism and needs to be dismantled and destroyed. And Pakistan is the classic case along with North Korea.

India is the golden state …………… even think of flying as humans on their own cant fly.

Yes you are absolutely right India is the Golden State set to overtake even China as the second LARGEST ECONOMY. Pakistan out of sheer cussedness is begging and prostituting to attempt to stop it. They had US support for some time. Now that’s gone. They have dropped you like a used tampon. Now China is the sponsor. But now India is neutralizing that by a slew of measures. You will certainly see India FLY while you sit in your slums.

Pakistan learned its lessons you also need to. I doubt that. Your teachers are just gearing up. Please wait

ahmad
ahmad

i am pretty glad glad to know that every one is talking about Pakistan because its the only country that united states itself afraid and wants to destroy it....its the fear in the minds of anti human lobbies who have surpassed the humanity  and are likely to become like the animals cos they will die also one day and taste death...from much closeness , then will they realise what they have done for the sake of making grand united states.........be in the fear if u dare cast an evil eye on muslims...Pakistan is here to stay forever for every muslim on earth and even for the peace loving other minorities as well becos thats what islam teaches us the tolerence.... WISH U FaIR LUCK u timekeepers...keep it with u.....

SankaraMenon
SankaraMenon

@ahmad This is the stupidest comment i have heard in a long time :) USA afraid of a failed State. The right word is they are concerned because it is the nest of terrorists and a Nation of beggers that beg with a gun to their head

Never Lose Hope
Never Lose Hope

Where's India hmm cut into asam,jharkhand,Hyderabad,etc,etc

Jai Somanath
Jai Somanath

Col Peters is right. After all when Islamic States can be carved out of perfectly peaceful nations which got plunged into blood bath, no sanctity of borders can be attached to such a state or states. For instance consider the example of Pakistan, an Islamic State long before the present ISIS that came into existence using the same methods the modern Caliphate or ISIS is using at present. Partition of India to form Pakistan were dismissed as 'fantastic nonsense' just few weeks before they happened. 


Peculiar circumstances, India being a colony of British, Indian leaders like Gandhi and Nehru adopting a compromising stand unlike Abraham Lincoln who stood firm saying 'one nation  under God', and fanatic frenzy of Moslem league led by Jinnah who called for 'direct action' using 'extra-constitutional 'methods to cut India to pieces , all combined resulting in carnage and formation of an Islamic State with in natural frontiers of nation of India.


But neither Islam nor Pakistan are monolithic. Islam never formed a basis for nationhood. Otherwise Arabs , all practicing same Islam, speaking same language , belonging to same culture would have become one big Islamic State. The difficulties facing Pakistan to stay as one entity are much more insurmountable than that of Arabs. Balochis, Phaktoons, Bengalis , Sindhis and Punjabis constituted Pakistan in 1947 when it came into existence.

They were held together in one nation of India because of culture and ethos of India,


But when these bonds of unity amid diversity , a principle upheld in India for ages, eons in fact, were violently torn asunder by Islamic fanaticism in order to create Pakistan, then there was nothing to hold them together under Pakistani Islamic aegis which itself is narrowly confined to being a Sunni, Wahabi variety that is violently opposed to other sects of Islam like Shias, Ahmediyas and Sufis et al. Hence pogroms started right at the start at the beginning of its statehood, against Hindus, then Christian minorities now have spread to include Shia, Ahmediya sects besides Sunnis of other regions like Balochis. Bengali Moslems were largely Sunni, yet it did not protect them against unleashing of violence amounting to genocide by Pakistan army in 1971. As a result E Bengal became free of Pakistan, became Bangladesh.


So also there is need to redraw map of Pakistan by excluding Balochis who like their Bengali cousins are facing violent occupation by Pakistan army which is using every tactic including attacks by Pakistan Air force.   Phaktoons in north west frontier voted to join India at the time of partition. Like Kurds they too suffered. Gilgit and Baltistan ,  were parts of  Jammu and Kashmir when the state acceded to India.  As Col Peters narrated, there is much need to accommodate long suffering people of these areas, in their own administered areas.  They should not be punished for no fault of their own forcibly keeping them in failed state of Pakistan. 


Pakistan is a failed state. Because the reason its protagonists demanded vivisection of India was that Moslems cannot be assured of safety in Hindu majority India. By now it is clear only place Muslims of all sects, Shia, Sunni, Ahmediya et al where they are safe is not in Pakistan but in Hindu majority India.

zervan69
zervan69

all these fantasy borders and yet we still have occupied west bank in palestine?

this is a jewish dream map but will never happen, the first border to change will be in the galilee, west bank and gaza when ALL of palestine gets liberated.

Aftab37
Aftab37

paul!(peter) worry about your own borders of Mexico' and ethnic divide of Blacks vs Whites' the way your armed forces got beaten in Afghanistan(forgot vietnam) and the way you are hated by the peoples of the world you still have time to worry about the middle east. furthermore take some lessons on basic geography  before you venture on changing world map. 

Pune
Pune

Pakistan already been divided, point is that it is still not represented on the map.

jon du Pontavice
jon du Pontavice

Aah...just a thought, look at the countries sorrounding the redrawn map, you think they will stay out of this change while itsoccuring or will they also play a role in further changing the map, a new map which Ralph Peter's supreme leaders may not at all like.

AbdullahLashari
AbdullahLashari

I think peter make mistake to understand the real  problems , 

peters theory about middle east can't apply on south Asia , Pakistan must be disintegrate by national borders , why Sindh along with Punjab in Pakistan map ? 

TedBrown3
TedBrown3

Why divide the borders?


Why is there a need for borders to begin with, are we all not human?

goodyonsen
goodyonsen

@TedBrown3 Because; city states can only be established with seemingly a "natural" outcome via political division of relevantly big lands, which means the emergence of new artificial countries... How the hell new countries' societies are to be formed is another story but I can tell that it is largely associated with previous wars and as one result of them, "mass exiles"  or "forced migrations" of a certain ethnic group... As an example from close history; Saddam exiled millions of Kurds to the up north toward Turkish border where later on was declared "fly-free zone" or "36th parallel. After a decade, in 2003, with the US intervention, Northern Iraqi Kurds claimed autonomy which was granted by the US backed central government... Same scenario been going on with Assad and Syrian Kurds by the great help of so-called ISIS in North-East of Syria, just few hundred yards off the Turkish border... Not hard to guess what's lately debated in the region; an expected claim of autonomy from Syrian Kurds in the North-East of the country... 

Subject
Subject

Yet another western intellectual to save the world DUHH. like Iraq and Afghanistan r solved. Libya and Egypt are solved. Likr israel and Palestine r solved. Please don't do further good to us. Already we are highly obliged. Yours truly's subjects

Phil
Phil

I hope the present Middle East is not THE Middle East. His is...fun. Too bad he didn't include the best part: The Wet Bank/Gaza and Israel switch territories, and arms.

ashish
ashish

I think Peters analysis suffers from white-myopic -knowall limitation. The fight predates Islam and is more of tribal pastime.

Redraw for oil not peace

guest
guest

Ralph Peters knows more about the Middle East becaue he s in the military. Highly praised and highly decorated for leading our troops to fight Jihad. He is not just an analyst. Do some research!

RobMobilia
RobMobilia

Peters was a FSO for the Soviet Union. Not the Mideast. As far as actual training about the Mideast, it's just to know about what the Soviets cared for.

BTR
BTR

Generally I try to be a bit more diplomatic in my language, but I'm going to be candid about this one: Ralph Peters' 'blood borders' map needs to die. It shows a distinct lack of understanding about the Middle East and its history - both in specific facts and in the motifs that symbolize wider historical trends. Ralph Peters, I'm sure, must be an intelligent man to become so popular a commentator and academic, but whatever his specialty, it's not the Middle East.

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