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yucel53
07-24-2006, 07:56 AM
Armenians who are known as “Millet-i Sadıka (Loyal Nation)” lived a peaceful and comfortable life with Turks for long years in the Ottoman Empire. Due to nationalism movements of 1789 French Revolution, as expected Armenians also were affected from this nationalist wind. During the World War I, Armenians tried to found an independent state and they were backed by Great Powers of that time. Armenian nationalist movements were supported by especially Russia and they felt themselves in safe under the protective Russian umbrella. Armed organizations and propaganda bodies were also established for the independence of Armenia. Ottoman Empire was aware of that political formation and decided to take necessary precautions to obtain the security of its citizens during the war. For this reason Armenian population was deported to Syria -that place was also in the Ottoman Empire- as a natural outcome of war conditions. There is no controversy on that fact hundreds of thousands Armenians died due to hunger, cold war and epidemics during the migration. But “deportation” can’t be called as “genocide”. This “migration” event is the primary source of conflict and starting point of so-called “Armenian Genocide” of 1915. According to claims of Armenian historians, because of so many deaths, this was cannot be accepted as migration, this was a planned genocide.

When we come back to historical background of the conflict, we see that there is no a consensus on the “number of deaths” during the migration, between Armenian and Turkish historians also between the decision makers of the both countries. Armenian historians claim that, 1.5 million Armenian lost their lives[i]. But their Turk colleagues find this claim exaggerated. Turkish historians also accept the Armenian loses but Armenians claims are far away from reality. According to Turkish side’s thesis, this migration was a result and necessity of war conditions and this migration was not against the rules of (new-born) international law and Law of War at that time. If we analyze the conflict in the strands of 20th century’s law understanding, it must be accepted as an internal matter of a country. Moreover, if the real aim of the migration was “genocide”, they would behave directly like Hitler.

After the War of Independence, Turco-Armenian relations and borders were shaped with Gümrü Agreement (December 2, 1921) and Moscow Agreement (March 16, 1921). Armenian Soviet So******t Republic was founded in 1920 and two years later, she lost her independence and accepted Soviet rule. Relations and problems between Turkey and Armenia were frozen nearly for seventy years. But ASALA (Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia) organized terrorist attacks against Turk diplomats in 1970s.[ii]

After the collapse of Soviet Union, Armenia declared its independence in 1991 and became a member of international system. Their newly existence as an independent state in history scene (with this self-confidence), they invaded Nagorno-Karabakh and started to follow an active foreign policy. Their being at war with Azerbaijan strengthened “solidarity” and “nation conscious” among Armenian people. So called Armenian Genocide is being expressing by many Armenian organizations not only in Armenia but also at world scale for strengthening Armenian nationalism. What are the reasons that drive Armenia to defend and insist on so called Armenian Genocide?

1.This “genocide event” could be used as cement for Armenian nationalism and solidarity among Armenian citizens. This is a chance to collect Armenians all around the world for the idea of “Powerful Armenia”.

2.To gain support and sympathy of international community as in the case of Jews.

3.So called Armenian Genocide could be used as a “bargaining issue” for the normalization of relations with Turkey.

4.Compensation and territory claims. (Although territory demand is not voiced by Armenian decision makers recently, article 11th of the Independence Declaration doesn’t mean the same things.) [iii]

For a long time, Turkey couldn’t express itself and its being just and convinced international community about the realities of so called Armenian Genocide. . But today Turkey is really eager to find a solution to this so called Armenian Genocide. For example: Ottoman and other archives (approximately one million) are open to foreign researchers, establishment of the Vienna Armenian-Turkish Historian Platform (VAT), offer for the establishment of an international commission under the control of United Nations, request for opening of Armenian documents to foreign researches, these efforts are clear evidences of that Turkey is really eager to solve this problem. Turkish PM Erdoğan often called historians of two sides for an impartial research but this offer was not taken seriously by Armenian PM Andranik Markaryan.

As I mentioned above, these are the expression of vicious circle and a barrier in front of a road that goes to solution. These two neighbor countries could normalize their relations and maximize their interests. All these are possible, as long as Armenia really wants to solve problems and is eager to take the first step. Armenia is a country with geographical disadvantages, insufficient mines, and it’s Azerbaijan and Turkey borders are closed due to Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. Armenia has border with Iran, Georgia, Turkey, Russia and Azerbaijan and situates in Southern Caucasia. Turkey-Armenia border is closed because of Nagorno-Karabakh Conflict,[iv] so called Armenian Genocide and border problem. All in all, Armenia continues its relations with the rest of the world via Russia, Georgia, and Iran.

Today Armenia is a weak country as a present of its geographical situation and other poor conditions. Armenia is seen as unjust in the eye of international community on Nagorno-Karabakh conflict[v] and his economic condition is troublesome because of serious trade deficit. But Armenia can tackle these difficulties if she normalizes relations with her neighbors like Turkey and Azerbaijan. Armenia has advocated so called Armenian Genocide for a long time but won nothing except enmity of Turks, so regional isolationism continued to weaken Armenia. If Armenia leaves its “genocide” and “other policies” built on enmity, this country will gain much more if the long term interests are taken into consideration.

What is the importance of normalization of relations with Turkey for Armenia?

1-Turkey is an indispensable market and trade partner for Armenia with its nearly 70 million population. Turkey has close relations with Muslim countries and Newly Independent States of Central Asia. Its EU membership, good relations with the USA and geopolitical privilege make Turkey vital to increase movement ability of Armenia. Opening of border will also improve socio-cultural life, trade and tourism.

2-Turkey will start to negotiations with the EU on December 3, 2005. As it seems

roj_evindar
07-29-2006, 05:22 PM
It is not a "so called Armenian Genocide", it is the truth. The Turkish State has to compensate the Armenian people for that crime. In the last century the Turkish Fascism has cleaned "Little Anatolia" from non-turkish ethnics: Armenian, Asyrian and Kurdish People.
Turkey is not ready to accept that crime as a genocide, Turks degrade it as an accident. How can a 1.5 million people be cilled in an accident? This ist the Turkish Perversion...

Dicle
07-29-2006, 07:00 PM
I have some documents for Mr. Erdogan. A letter written by an Armenian who was able to escape from the genocide. Those letters, pictures and people... explaining what they went through. Another example, when my grand-mother's mother got killed she was left behind. She was so scared that she never mentioned she was an Armenian until she died. It is a pity that the history speaks for itself. It is time to be honest and brave enough to face the truth and apologize from the Armenian people. That would be the high road which Turkey won’t take.
And BTW I don't see how good relationships with Turkey would help Armenia more than Turkey. Armenia can be a good market for Turkish garbage for sure.

MadTurk
08-15-2006, 10:25 AM
What if we had done a genocide? Do you want to give some of our lands to armenians? No way, these land is our land, we had spilt our blood in every inches of this land. Now there is a kurdish problem. Where did it come from? Again, imperialist countries trying to split us. If it is the truth, what about our losses, what about the mass destructions done to Turks? We were all living in peace, but imperialist actions, imperial countries started to reign armenians in our lands, making them as an enemy of Turks, just to weaken us inside and conquer our lands while there is a chaos. These armenians obliterated our cities, raped our woman, killed all who was able to fight, and when we defended ourselves, you called this as genocide! The Armenian Arch-Bishop of these days also said that the imperial countries were trying to split and start a war between us. After that, assasins tried to assasinate him. You are ignoring THE REAL FACTS. You are just believing what you want to believe. You want to learn more? We are sharing the required information, we are sharing the documents of real facts. First of all, search the subject. Then discuss it. You cannot find anything that shows there is a genocide. You cannot achieve what you are trying to do.

cakir
09-12-2006, 02:12 PM
What if we had done a genocide? Do you want to give some of our lands to armenians? No way, these land is our land, we had spilt our blood in every inches of this land. Now there is a kurdish problem. Where did it come from? Again, imperialist countries trying to split us. If it is the truth, what about our losses, what about the mass destructions done to Turks? We were all living in peace, but imperialist actions, imperial countries started to reign armenians in our lands, making them as an enemy of Turks, just to weaken us inside and conquer our lands while there is a chaos. These armenians obliterated our cities, raped our woman, killed all who was able to fight, and when we defended ourselves, you called this as genocide! The Armenian Arch-Bishop of these days also said that the imperial countries were trying to split and start a war between us. After that, assasins tried to assasinate him. You are ignoring THE REAL FACTS. You are just believing what you want to believe. You want to learn more? We are sharing the required information, we are sharing the documents of real facts. First of all, search the subject. Then discuss it. You cannot find anything that shows there is a genocide. You cannot achieve what you are trying to do.


Armenians go on about genocide we done to them..same with kurds and greeks. What about the millions of Turks massacred by the armenians and greeks before WW1? Yeah don't worry about us Turks just blame us for everything..just take what ever land we can get from them use any any excuse possible. Apart from the Jews, us Turks are the most hated race on earth. It doesn't matter, as they say in turkish "Turkun Turkten baska dostu yoktur" meaning in english..A Turk has no other friend that his own.

As for America..yeah u can go into Afghanistan and Iraq..but u know yourself they don't have the balls to step a foot into Turkey..even the afraid person would grab a gun and fight to save his land don't get us confused with other countries..our history proves who we really are..do what eve and take what ever risk to save our homeland.

Kurdistan_Serok
09-15-2006, 04:47 PM
the history proves that you turks are a really wild people racist and wild.you know that if you are living in turkey and if there is a country with the name of turkey it is with the help of USA and EU so stop writing bullshit cuz without them you turks are nothing for us.
with their weapon you are fighting otherwise what do you have stupid ? huh nothing you have.USA if want can kick your ass. keep it in mind that USA rules the world. I think that you even don't know what means Superpower?

if you have balls come to south or Kurdistan why you don't come? you turks are shy? oh no it is only because of USA cuz USA told your goverment I will kick your ass if you want to make problem. and now our Kurdish Freedom Fighter are training with modern weapon then they will show you just give me time I will prove then you will see. the time will prove everythin.then you will see that you don't have ball to stay and then it is the time for running.run or I will kick your ass biatch.
now I know that you are only a normal worker that doesn't know what is going on in the world and you thing that everything is under the control of you.

USA will never let any terrorist country exist in the world. when USA's job finished with turkey then it is the time to wash you guys.

have nice dream like you fathers

Armenians go on about genocide we done to them..same with kurds and greeks. What about the millions of Turks massacred by the armenians and greeks before WW1? Yeah don't worry about us Turks just blame us for everything..just take what ever land we can get from them use any any excuse possible. Apart from the Jews, us Turks are the most hated race on earth. It doesn't matter, as they say in turkish "Turkun Turkten baska dostu yoktur" meaning in english..A Turk has no other friend that his own.

As for America..yeah u can go into Afghanistan and Iraq..but u know yourself they don't have the balls to step a foot into Turkey..even the afraid person would grab a gun and fight to save his land don't get us confused with other countries..our history proves who we really are..do what eve and take what ever risk to save our homeland.

bezgin
09-15-2006, 10:19 PM
:D . You are stupid as hell.:eek:

cakir
09-19-2006, 10:51 AM
the history proves that you turks are a really wild people racist and wild.you know that if you are living in turkey and if there is a country with the name of turkey it is with the help of USA and EU so stop writing bullshit cuz without them you turks are nothing for us.
with their weapon you are fighting otherwise what do you have stupid ? huh nothing you have.USA if want can kick your ass. keep it in mind that USA rules the world. I think that you even don't know what means Superpower?

if you have balls come to south or Kurdistan why you don't come? you turks are shy? oh no it is only because of USA cuz USA told your goverment I will kick your ass if you want to make problem. and now our Kurdish Freedom Fighter are training with modern weapon then they will show you just give me time I will prove then you will see. the time will prove everythin.then you will see that you don't have ball to stay and then it is the time for running.run or I will kick your ass biatch.
now I know that you are only a normal worker that doesn't know what is going on in the world and you thing that everything is under the control of you.

USA will never let any terrorist country exist in the world. when USA's job finished with turkey then it is the time to wash you guys.

have nice dream like you fathers


Don't try threatening me behind your computer goes to show how much balls you really have. I bet your one of those kurdish dogs that shoots at there enemies and runs for cover. You can suck on USA cock, you can lick your PKK arse all the way to hell for all i care you ain't nothing but a weak gangster wannabe nerd behind a computer acting like your ****in king shit.

You don't scare me my little kurdish puppy, just go running off to the mountains and suck on your barzani cock.

As a warning, don't try threatening people you don't know behind a computer.
You want me, i'll tell you where i am come and kill me if you got any balls.. you PKK mother****er!