Blood borders

[diyako]

You Turks are really dumb and out knowledge, go learn a bit about history from all different perspective then you guys, then come talk to me,. Kurdish nation was there long time before Mongolian(Turks) arrived from north of china,, Kurd have never accepted anything, since its foundation there has never been voluntary union in betweens Turks and Kurds up to now. Always has been force, assimilation mass killing nothing else!!, every thing since Turkish republic foundation until now has been lies and misleading, go read about Turkish history in different perspective not just from Ataturk’s schools!!
I also have a lot good Turkish friend and I regret for my language, you propaganda machine put you in imaginary thinking, everyone in this forums know you Turks sensitivity in Kurdish issues is clear of desperation and hopelessness, because Kurdish nation is rising once again, why you guys here tell me!! If your country so secure so democratic, why you barking like dogs!! What is scaring you!!!…

The important things is all you talk about ottoman, empire this and that who proud, is totally paranoid , it is imaginary things, there is no question , that there was a ottoman empire with multi confederation which was include Kurdistan, even in ottoman empire maps(not the one made up after republic) you can see clearly Kurdistan, and whole Kurdistan was running by Kurdish governor as same like Greeks, Arabs states, under ottoman rules, all this governors’ had right to succeed after war world one, only Kurdistan remain with Mustafa kemal betrayal and replacing Lozan agreement with server in 1923. Now.

let not fool ourselves, the Kurdish question is international arena and is now concerns world community, you all know that very well, you fools here barking!!!, your little turkey never can handle that any longer. So I guess if you guys have little brains you will understand, what I am talking about!!
Now clearly for forum, and American peoples is great asset to professionally analysis things, you Turks seen losing controls bring everything from every corners and mixing them up.
Non of you Turks in this forum understand the problem that you country facing, of course you all saying is some Kurdish terrorist and we kill them all , and we heard that , it been 85 years you guys doing that, have you finished, there is still 25 millions left. So kill them all proud yourself!!!

So my advice to Turks, read history and conflicts’ clearly, in every side, with all different perspective, analysis thing objectively, put you emotional away. Because is your weakness it shows you losing which s mean you have been wrong all the way , to understand well, and be objectives, this place is not about heroism, because that time is over, you guys been watching too much Turkish TV, The Learning mechanism has changed, , adopt yourself to new world, it will bring good for Turks, learn tolerance, make sure knowing something before talking about!!
Open your eyes Turkish friends, every one knows enough who Kurds are, is shame for you , that you don’t know that is bring no good your country men at all.
Stop been ignorance, stop talking about imperialist, and all these crabs, turkey itself is worst racist country in whole plant earth by denying very basic and fundamental Kurdish rights . There is no country have fascism law as such, , as I have said you guys should know well who keeping turkey intact until now!!
Kurds also like other nation looking for strategic friends, more importantly if is freedom voice, always part of it.
Now as I have said you guys no need be here actually, let say everything so cool according to some of you, if you guys so well stability country and well democratic system and proud yourself, what is scaring you!!! Why you been in American army journal shall I put according you guys listening couple Kurdish cry!!! Well is obvious, there is big hole in there you all know it, whole world know it, and that cant big fixed with out involving Kurds. I would like to talk things based of reality in ground.
Therefore, if in here start barking you losing it, but I don’t have anything to lose!! Because I am already victim, and anything you guys saying is in my advantage, which shows that Kurds are peace loving nation, determined to choose their own future by themselves with any cause, all this propaganda from you guys wouldn’t bring anything good for turkey. remember any words about Kurd which spell out to world is in my nation advantage, and that is already Turkish government big night mare, they beeen hiding Kurds for 85 years, will history it rewrite itself now, our aims is to be heard, I wonder really do you guys like to be heard to??:!! Is funny, is desperate attempt, because turkey living in it last moment.
Kurds do not claim any one any countries land, Kurdish land is land where today Kurdish population are most majority, and that’s common sense even little kids can understand that, We don’t go back history of our empire claims place which we been 2000 years ago no.
We are talking the reality on ground, the land that right now Kurds living and they like to be governing themselves, and educated themselves with their own languages and have their own political and economical systems in their own hand.

You all should know Kurdish question will never solved by military and force, and already proven, it get stronger sand stronger day by day, it doesn’t now go anywhere and will put your country in eventually if continue like this by your military regime, will eventually bring your country to several pieces
IF you guys think I am propaganda or liar, well tell people here in forum!!! One simple question I would like see with simple answer!!! Who is in favors Referendum in Kurdistan (so called eastern turkey)???
Let ask peoples in region what they want, if you peoples so democratic , the you guys have to be agree on this, and that is will determine outcome once for all, we are confident!! Are you???

If you guys believing of civil and democratic society it should be very fair, with no valiance nor killing!!

[chatin]

You Turks are really dumb and out knowledge, go learn a bit about history from all different perspective then you guys, then come talk to me,. Kurdish nation was there long time before Mongolian(Turks) arrived from north of china,, Kurd have never accepted anything, since its foundation there has never been voluntary union in betweens Turks and Kurds up to now. Always has been force, assimilation mass killing nothing else!!, every thing since Turkish republic foundation until now has been lies and misleading, go read about Turkish history in different perspective not just from Ataturk’s schools!!
I also have a lot good Turkish friend and I regret for my language, you propaganda machine put you in imaginary thinking, everyone in this forums know you Turks sensitivity in Kurdish issues is clear of desperation and hopelessness, because Kurdish nation is rising once again, why you guys here tell me!! If your country so secure so democratic, why you barking like dogs!! What is scaring you!!!…

The important things is all you talk about ottoman, empire this and that who proud, is totally paranoid , it is imaginary things, there is no question , that there was a ottoman empire with multi confederation which was include Kurdistan, even in ottoman empire maps(not the one made up after republic) you can see clearly Kurdistan, and whole Kurdistan was running by Kurdish governor as same like Greeks, Arabs states, under ottoman rules, all this governors’ had right to succeed after war world one, only Kurdistan remain with Mustafa kemal betrayal and replacing Lozan agreement with server in 1923. Now.

let not fool ourselves, the Kurdish question is international arena and is now concerns world community, you all know that very well, you fools here barking!!!, your little turkey never can handle that any longer. So I guess if you guys have little brains you will understand, what I am talking about!!
Now clearly for forum, and American peoples is great asset to professionally analysis things, you Turks seen losing controls bring everything from every corners and mixing them up.
Non of you Turks in this forum understand the problem that you country facing, of course you all saying is some Kurdish terrorist and we kill them all , and we heard that , it been 85 years you guys doing that, have you finished, there is still 25 millions left. So kill them all proud yourself!!!

So my advice to Turks, read history and conflicts’ clearly, in every side, with all different perspective, analysis thing objectively, put you emotional away. Because is your weakness it shows you losing which s mean you have been wrong all the way , to understand well, and be objectives, this place is not about heroism, because that time is over, you guys been watching too much Turkish TV, The Learning mechanism has changed, , adopt yourself to new world, it will bring good for Turks, learn tolerance, make sure knowing something before talking about!!
Open your eyes Turkish friends, every one knows enough who Kurds are, is shame for you , that you don’t know that is bring no good your country men at all.
Stop been ignorance, stop talking about imperialist, and all these crabs, turkey itself is worst racist country in whole plant earth by denying very basic and fundamental Kurdish rights . There is no country have fascism law as such, , as I have said you guys should know well who keeping turkey intact until now!!
Kurds also like other nation looking for strategic friends, more importantly if is freedom voice, always part of it.
Now as I have said you guys no need be here actually, let say everything so cool according to some of you, if you guys so well stability country and well democratic system and proud yourself, what is scaring you!!! Why you been in American army journal shall I put according you guys listening couple Kurdish cry!!! Well is obvious, there is big hole in there you all know it, whole world know it, and that cant big fixed with out involving Kurds. I would like to talk things based of reality in ground.
Therefore, if in here start barking you losing it, but I don’t have anything to lose!! Because I am already victim, and anything you guys saying is in my advantage, which shows that Kurds are peace loving nation, determined to choose their own future by themselves with any cause, all this propaganda from you guys wouldn’t bring anything good for turkey. remember any words about Kurd which spell out to world is in my nation advantage, and that is already Turkish government big night mare, they beeen hiding Kurds for 85 years, will history it rewrite itself now, our aims is to be heard, I wonder really do you guys like to be heard to??:!! Is funny, is desperate attempt, because turkey living in it last moment.
Kurds do not claim any one any countries land, Kurdish land is land where today Kurdish population are most majority, and that’s common sense even little kids can understand that, We don’t go back history of our empire claims place which we been 2000 years ago no.
We are talking the reality on ground, the land that right now Kurds living and they like to be governing themselves, and educated themselves with their own languages and have their own political and economical systems in their own hand.

You all should know Kurdish question will never solved by military and force, and already proven, it get stronger sand stronger day by day, it doesn’t now go anywhere and will put your country in eventually if continue like this by your military regime, will eventually bring your country to several pieces
IF you guys think I am propaganda or liar, well tell people here in forum!!! One simple question I would like see with simple answer!!! Who is in favors Referendum in Kurdistan (so called eastern turkey)???
Let ask peoples in region what they want, if you peoples so democratic , the you guys have to be agree on this, and that is will determine outcome once for all, we are confident!! Are you???

If you guys believing of civil and democratic society it should be very fair, with no valiance nor killing!!


its absolutely sardar :D can't be more fool one :rolleyes:

[The Turk]

If That Plan Is Good For All Then Lets Start With Dividing The "United States Of America" And Even The "Europian Community".
I Think Nationalistic Independance Is A Bunch Of Bull That One Part Of The World(The United Ones) Inject As Poison To The Rest Of The World So They Stay Divided/week/oppressable/controllable/expolitable.

The Ottomans/turks Had Not Oppressed Any Body Half Much As The British,dutch,german,french,spanish,portugese And The Mighty USA; And They Are Still Oppressing The Rest Of The World Today.

What Happened To Those American Indians, They Still Dont Have An Independent State.
Or Lets Divide Britain So The Welsh, Irish, Scottish, English And Many Others Can Have Independent States.

How About That......;)

[The Turk]

Yes you either are stupid enough not to see the truth or you are a liar.
The Turkish goverment did not respond untill the dump and un-educated poor people of the Kurdish Population in the East of Turkiye were succkered into rebelion to serve the Western Oppression. It was the British that divided the Middle East into managable and un-prosperable chunks. For 70 years the poor KURDS could not prosper because their lifeline was blocked by the border the British put. They put the border there to make sure The Young Turkish Republic along with the ethnic variety that made it a multinational harmonious culture could never get their hands on the OIL. Now the "Civilised Westerners" are willingly killing innocent civillians for that oil and The Kurds are playing along.......

openup your eyes and see the truth or stop poisoning my people.....

[blackkartal]

Diyako you started reposting your old articles :D I think you become laizy to write new ones. But be careful if you dont work well, you will not be paid by your bosses:D

I urge you to write new posts rather than copy paste the old ones:D otherwise, you might be fired!!

take care and keep in touch:D


You Turks are really dumb and out knowledge, go learn a bit about history from all different perspective then you guys, then come talk to me,. Kurdish nation was there long time before Mongolian(Turks) arrived from north of china,, Kurd have never accepted anything, since its foundation there has never been voluntary union in betweens Turks and Kurds up to now. Always has been force, assimilation mass killing nothing else!!, every thing since Turkish republic foundation until now has been lies and misleading, go read about Turkish history in different perspective not just from Ataturk’s schools!!
I also have a lot good Turkish friend and I regret for my language, you propaganda machine put you in imaginary thinking, everyone in this forums know you Turks sensitivity in Kurdish issues is clear of desperation and hopelessness, because Kurdish nation is rising once again, why you guys here tell me!! If your country so secure so democratic, why you barking like dogs!! What is scaring you!!!…

The important things is all you talk about ottoman, empire this and that who proud, is totally paranoid , it is imaginary things, there is no question , that there was a ottoman empire with multi confederation which was include Kurdistan, even in ottoman empire maps(not the one made up after republic) you can see clearly Kurdistan, and whole Kurdistan was running by Kurdish governor as same like Greeks, Arabs states, under ottoman rules, all this governors’ had right to succeed after war world one, only Kurdistan remain with Mustafa kemal betrayal and replacing Lozan agreement with server in 1923. Now.

let not fool ourselves, the Kurdish question is international arena and is now concerns world community, you all know that very well, you fools here barking!!!, your little turkey never can handle that any longer. So I guess if you guys have little brains you will understand, what I am talking about!!
Now clearly for forum, and American peoples is great asset to professionally analysis things, you Turks seen losing controls bring everything from every corners and mixing them up.
Non of you Turks in this forum understand the problem that you country facing, of course you all saying is some Kurdish terrorist and we kill them all , and we heard that , it been 85 years you guys doing that, have you finished, there is still 25 millions left. So kill them all proud yourself!!!

So my advice to Turks, read history and conflicts’ clearly, in every side, with all different perspective, analysis thing objectively, put you emotional away. Because is your weakness it shows you losing which s mean you have been wrong all the way , to understand well, and be objectives, this place is not about heroism, because that time is over, you guys been watching too much Turkish TV, The Learning mechanism has changed, , adopt yourself to new world, it will bring good for Turks, learn tolerance, make sure knowing something before talking about!!
Open your eyes Turkish friends, every one knows enough who Kurds are, is shame for you , that you don’t know that is bring no good your country men at all.
Stop been ignorance, stop talking about imperialist, and all these crabs, turkey itself is worst racist country in whole plant earth by denying very basic and fundamental Kurdish rights . There is no country have fascism law as such, , as I have said you guys should know well who keeping turkey intact until now!!
Kurds also like other nation looking for strategic friends, more importantly if is freedom voice, always part of it.
Now as I have said you guys no need be here actually, let say everything so cool according to some of you, if you guys so well stability country and well democratic system and proud yourself, what is scaring you!!! Why you been in American army journal shall I put according you guys listening couple Kurdish cry!!! Well is obvious, there is big hole in there you all know it, whole world know it, and that cant big fixed with out involving Kurds. I would like to talk things based of reality in ground.
Therefore, if in here start barking you losing it, but I don’t have anything to lose!! Because I am already victim, and anything you guys saying is in my advantage, which shows that Kurds are peace loving nation, determined to choose their own future by themselves with any cause, all this propaganda from you guys wouldn’t bring anything good for turkey. remember any words about Kurd which spell out to world is in my nation advantage, and that is already Turkish government big night mare, they beeen hiding Kurds for 85 years, will history it rewrite itself now, our aims is to be heard, I wonder really do you guys like to be heard to??:!! Is funny, is desperate attempt, because turkey living in it last moment.
Kurds do not claim any one any countries land, Kurdish land is land where today Kurdish population are most majority, and that’s common sense even little kids can understand that, We don’t go back history of our empire claims place which we been 2000 years ago no.
We are talking the reality on ground, the land that right now Kurds living and they like to be governing themselves, and educated themselves with their own languages and have their own political and economical systems in their own hand.

You all should know Kurdish question will never solved by military and force, and already proven, it get stronger sand stronger day by day, it doesn’t now go anywhere and will put your country in eventually if continue like this by your military regime, will eventually bring your country to several pieces
IF you guys think I am propaganda or liar, well tell people here in forum!!! One simple question I would like see with simple answer!!! Who is in favors Referendum in Kurdistan (so called eastern turkey)???
Let ask peoples in region what they want, if you peoples so democratic , the you guys have to be agree on this, and that is will determine outcome once for all, we are confident!! Are you???

If you guys believing of civil and democratic society it should be very fair, with no valiance nor killing!!

[ortac]

bu yavşak editor de bayağı bi prim yaptı bizim sayemizde... baksanıza diger forum konuları bomboş duruyor...
bu adam kesin biz her tıkladıgımızda para da kazanıyordur...

[godfather]

It won't ever happen. Nobody will ever give up on their territories, especially the syrians, the iranians and the saudis.
Coming from the region I'd say that this map is idea and just like communism or democracy which looks only good on papers. Realizing such a map is a river of blood nobody that no single community is ready to handle.
And my reply to the turks would be a simple as the fall of Rome it will never rise back again.

[Kucik]

I am completely stunned by the views of the author. Dividing countries just because they can be controllable in an easier way is one of the least humanistic approaches I have ever seen. Considering the amount of bloodsheds that it might cause in the future, I am sorry to say this, but, it can even be compared to reduce at the level of terrorists (angel-faced terrorists, to be honest).

When the population of Latin American citizens in the southern states will exceed the population of White Americans, and when those states wish to join with Mexico or become independent countries, are you really going to wave your hands in a peaceful way? Or if other countries start sending forces to help those states in their decisions, are you going to swallow that decision with good will? I really don't think so.

If United States had "helped" those countries develop rather than keeping (or forcing) them under the dictate of people like Saddam (just because they were supporting US), none of those problems would have happened in the first place. You want to solve problems by creating more problems. It will not solve problems, it will only increase the amount of problems. Is this really that difficult to see or you prefer not to see at all?

And a note to the author, since he is completely "unaware" of the conditions in Turkey: there is no suppression in Turkey on Kurds that is bigger than what the Spanish people have on Catalans. Just a simple reminder, we have never had any kind of (race based) discrimination in Turkey that is similar to what US had in its history. Any Kurdish person who doesn't use his race to obtain privileges has never been considered as a foreigner. I'd like to remind you only two names who are of Kurdish origin and become the two most important leaders in Turkey after Ataturk, Ismet Inonu and Turgut Ozal. To your knowledge again, the majority of the Kurdish people in Turkey, which you claim to live under the suppression of Turkish army forces, supports obtaining priviliges that will lead to freedom with less than 30%. The results of the democratic elections in Turkey (which is proved to be so by the European observers, again to your knowledge) showed that. The majority of the Kurdish population in Turkey consider themselves as Turkish people (or in a way you like Kurdish-origined Turks). Both races are highly intertwinded with each other, that throughout the history, the Kurds that moved to the western regions of Turkey had started to consider themselves as of Turkish-origined, whereas the middle-asian origined Turks who lived in the eastern regions had started to consider themselves as of Kurdish -origined. You can find highly reliable sources that can prove that. Oh my, stop with that! There is no hell that is worse then what the Kurds are facing in turkey. Turkey, Iran, Syria and Iraq thogether created a terrrorist organisation named PKK. This was done for blaming Kurds being terrorists. The extremist gouverments could also arest any Kurd they wanted and finally have a reason. The PKK almost destroyed Iraqi Kurdistan if it wasnt for America (god bless america:D ). America twisted that bastard Özcallans ear, and told Syria, , Turkey and Iran that they should keep their trash in their own trashcans.

[sardar]

(Kurdish national anthem)

HEY ENEMY !

Hey enemy, the Kurdish nation is alive with its language
Can not be defeated by the weapons of any time
Let no one say Kurds are dead
Kurds are living
Kurds are living, their flag will never fall


We, the youth are the red colour of the revolution
Watch our blood that we shed on this way
Let no one say Kurds are dead
Kurds are living
Kurds are living, their flag will never fall


We are the generation of Medya and Keyhusrew
Both our faith and religion are our homeland
Both our faith and religion are Kurd and Kurdistan
Let no one say Kurds are dead
Kurds are living
Kurds are living, their flag will never fall


The Kurdish youth have risen like lions
To adorn the crown of life with blood
Let no one say Kurds are dead
Kurds are living
Kurds are living, their flag will never fall


The Kurdish youth are ever present and
Forever will be ready to sacrifice their lives
Sacrifice each life they have, each life they have!!!...


WROTED BY DILDAR
.

[ugh]

Sevres Treaty couldn't split up Anatolia and create those puppet states for Western use. Now so called West is coming with another project. They are bound to defeat, because you cannot achieve anything despite the local people. You can buy and run governments, MPs, mayors, etc., but you cannot buy the people. Therefore this map is not going further than a wishful thinking for Anatolia. Turks gained this land with their blood, and will not give up until they lose all their blood.
The only way they gained the land was by shedding other peoples blood (Greeks / Armenians) , not their own. They will continue to shed other people's blood to keep the land. Give me a break :rolleyes:

Bunch of savages

[ugh]

Why do we not talk of GENOCIDE the ARMENIANS inflicted on the TURKS and AZERI'S with the WESTERN HELP?



It disgusts me how much your government and schools have brainwashed you. Maybe you should start reading the history books from other perspectives. The genocide was the other way around. If the Armenians committed genocide on the Turks, why is it that Armenia is so small, and why is it that the Armenian people’s population dropped down so severally? Please tell me this, I am curious as to all the reasons you will come up with that your fine schools have educated you on. Was it maybe some sort of disease in the ethnicity? Or maybe all the millions of people just decided to vanish into thin air one morning. Or maybe they killed themselves? Maybe that’s it...ya... :rolleyes:

[miki]

I haven't read every page after my last post but it seems like everything is in the place i left.

Firstly, people are telling Turkish people to study the History from another perspective. Well, that is the nature of history. It's all about perspectives and the accuracy is always debateble. It is not a science and it cannot be proven most of the time. Why don't you study our point of view in history? Maybe accidentally you can come across a fact that Ottoman Empire and Early Turkey had not been in a long term alliance with another nation. Well, nobody likes the naughty kid in class and when he begins to settle down for a bit every other kid in the class tries to hold him down. And what can you do when that kid did things of grand proportions such as starting 2 new ages?

That's when the effect of propaganda comes into play. Propaganda is a invaluable weapon that can create heroes of ordinary man, or crush an opposition without firing a single shot. History is full of things like this. It is really naive to blame a nation to use it. We use it, you use it and they use it. People living in the country call it nationalism, people on the other side call it brainwashing. Tha anthem you wrote here is propaganda. Roj TV is propaganda . Every word you wrote here about free kurdistan is propaganda. Thing that holds China and North Korea is propaganda. Thing that US is doing for years to assault nations for "freedom and peace" is propaganda. Need I say more?

Back to my thoughts about history: It is really easy to show a nation that did all this as a monster. Every nation has a dark side, each of them made mistakes that they "sometimes" regret in their past. This is what fuels propaganda against these nations. Also, it is the power of propaganda to dig them up, polish them and stick them to our faces.

That concludes my tutorial about propaganda.

So; I suggest you to watch Full Metal Jacket and see what this is all about. It is in a point of view that can be considered as objective as possible to many people. And watch another crap Hollywood war movie. Mind the difference.

As a final note, I want to talk about a member of my family. My great uncle is Kurd, he was born in southeastern Turkey. That makes my cousins Kurds also, I haven't noticed all until this is mentioned in this forum. He became a Judge in the court of law and then he won the elections and represented his hometown in the Turkish parliament for 2 terms. He is now retired and he is one of the most respected members of our family. And when he dies, his coffin will be wrapped with Turkish flag. Now, I can hear you saying that this is all a result of Ataturks schools and bla bla... Well, he was elected to parliament. That gives one a voice that can make a difference. What I tried to tell here is, when you look close you'll see people from different origins in every family, not just Kurds and Turks. That's the way we are.

It would be appropriate to state that you don't represent a race. You represent a terrorist organisation. You represent a point of view. Nothing more.

Note(Edit):We didn't bring peace,freedom and democracy to gooks, nipps and sand-****ers in our past, right? That makes us real savages for just staying there. Damn.

[ortac]

i wonder the response of dear ADMINISTRATOR if somebody ****s her mother in front of his eyes...
i guess the response would be ' oh how big is your dick, come on fill the backhole..'
**** YOU MR. ADMINISTRATOR go home and poison yourself by your ****ing seperative ideas.. you will never win.. you live with your dreams like your dogs.

you ll probably ban me from your ****ing forum... i wont be reading and writing any more... Because the only thing you do is to organize a fight 'TURKIYE vs KURDS' with your little stupid ****ing brain...

Go **** yourself

[celikci]

Well well at last it has come to this great people of USA are now planning to make a playground of their own in the middle east. People should not be STUPİD when they are making plans i mean not MUCH as this. Sons and daughters of Turkish Republic are standing their ground. God help the people who will try to reconstruct our borders or try to realize this silly plan.

[celikci]

The only way they gained the land was by shedding other peoples blood (Greeks / Armenians) , not their own. They will continue to shed other people's blood to keep the land. Give me a break :rolleyes:

Bunch of savages

Why why why

How do you know turkish people are a bunch of savages. Do you know what the Greek army did in İZMİR in WW1 Do you know what the Armenian militia did to turkish villagers near that time. I t is you that must revise the things that you believe PS Also i don't believe that you are my enemy or you are a threat to my existence we are good neighbours living in peace an d i hope it lasts forever.

[Nastiye]

It disgusts me how much your government and schools have brainwashed you. Maybe you should start reading the history books from other perspectives. The genocide was the other way around. If the Armenians committed genocide on the Turks, why is it that Armenia is so small, and why is it that the Armenian people’s population dropped down so severally? Please tell me this, I am curious as to all the reasons you will come up with that your fine schools have educated you on. Was it maybe some sort of disease in the ethnicity? Or maybe all the millions of people just decided to vanish into thin air one morning. Or maybe they killed themselves? Maybe that’s it...ya... :rolleyes:

Let's think it over.There was a war and Armenians were killing Turks and they were to be taken out of Anatolia.

Well,if Turks genocided Armenians,then WHY would they try to protect them on their way,build hospitals for their health?Are they stupid?

You ppl claim a genocide of a nation,millions of ppl,right?But at that time,there even weren't that many Armenians in Anatolia...The amount of dead people(ACCORDING TO REAL REPORTS,NOT WORDS AND SO-HEARD LIES LIKE YOURS) is very normal.Diseases and the atmosphere of war were the reasons.

The Turkish Government have proofs,what do Armenians have?

[Nastiye]

You Turks are really dumb and out knowledge, go learn a bit about history from all different perspective then you guys, then come talk to me,. Kurdish nation was there long time before Mongolian(Turks) arrived from north of china,, Kurd have never accepted anything, since its foundation there has never been voluntary union in betweens Turks and Kurds up to now. Always has been force, assimilation mass killing nothing else!!, every thing since Turkish republic foundation until now has been lies and misleading, go read about Turkish history in different perspective not just from Ataturk’s schools!!
I also have a lot good Turkish friend and I regret for my language, you propaganda machine put you in imaginary thinking, everyone in this forums know you Turks sensitivity in Kurdish issues is clear of desperation and hopelessness, because Kurdish nation is rising once again, why you guys here tell me!! If your country so secure so democratic, why you barking like dogs!! What is scaring you!!!…

The important things is all you talk about ottoman, empire this and that who proud, is totally paranoid , it is imaginary things, there is no question , that there was a ottoman empire with multi confederation which was include Kurdistan, even in ottoman empire maps(not the one made up after republic) you can see clearly Kurdistan, and whole Kurdistan was running by Kurdish governor as same like Greeks, Arabs states, under ottoman rules, all this governors’ had right to succeed after war world one, only Kurdistan remain with Mustafa kemal betrayal and replacing Lozan agreement with server in 1923. Now.

let not fool ourselves, the Kurdish question is international arena and is now concerns world community, you all know that very well, you fools here barking!!!, your little turkey never can handle that any longer. So I guess if you guys have little brains you will understand, what I am talking about!!
Now clearly for forum, and American peoples is great asset to professionally analysis things, you Turks seen losing controls bring everything from every corners and mixing them up.
Non of you Turks in this forum understand the problem that you country facing, of course you all saying is some Kurdish terrorist and we kill them all , and we heard that , it been 85 years you guys doing that, have you finished, there is still 25 millions left. So kill them all proud yourself!!!

So my advice to Turks, read history and conflicts’ clearly, in every side, with all different perspective, analysis thing objectively, put you emotional away. Because is your weakness it shows you losing which s mean you have been wrong all the way , to understand well, and be objectives, this place is not about heroism, because that time is over, you guys been watching too much Turkish TV, The Learning mechanism has changed, , adopt yourself to new world, it will bring good for Turks, learn tolerance, make sure knowing something before talking about!!
Open your eyes Turkish friends, every one knows enough who Kurds are, is shame for you , that you don’t know that is bring no good your country men at all.
Stop been ignorance, stop talking about imperialist, and all these crabs, turkey itself is worst racist country in whole plant earth by denying very basic and fundamental Kurdish rights . There is no country have fascism law as such, , as I have said you guys should know well who keeping turkey intact until now!!
Kurds also like other nation looking for strategic friends, more importantly if is freedom voice, always part of it.
Now as I have said you guys no need be here actually, let say everything so cool according to some of you, if you guys so well stability country and well democratic system and proud yourself, what is scaring you!!! Why you been in American army journal shall I put according you guys listening couple Kurdish cry!!! Well is obvious, there is big hole in there you all know it, whole world know it, and that cant big fixed with out involving Kurds. I would like to talk things based of reality in ground.
Therefore, if in here start barking you losing it, but I don’t have anything to lose!! Because I am already victim, and anything you guys saying is in my advantage, which shows that Kurds are peace loving nation, determined to choose their own future by themselves with any cause, all this propaganda from you guys wouldn’t bring anything good for turkey. remember any words about Kurd which spell out to world is in my nation advantage, and that is already Turkish government big night mare, they beeen hiding Kurds for 85 years, will history it rewrite itself now, our aims is to be heard, I wonder really do you guys like to be heard to??:!! Is funny, is desperate attempt, because turkey living in it last moment.
Kurds do not claim any one any countries land, Kurdish land is land where today Kurdish population are most majority, and that’s common sense even little kids can understand that, We don’t go back history of our empire claims place which we been 2000 years ago no.
We are talking the reality on ground, the land that right now Kurds living and they like to be governing themselves, and educated themselves with their own languages and have their own political and economical systems in their own hand.

You all should know Kurdish question will never solved by military and force, and already proven, it get stronger sand stronger day by day, it doesn’t now go anywhere and will put your country in eventually if continue like this by your military regime, will eventually bring your country to several pieces
IF you guys think I am propaganda or liar, well tell people here in forum!!! One simple question I would like see with simple answer!!! Who is in favors Referendum in Kurdistan (so called eastern turkey)???
Let ask peoples in region what they want, if you peoples so democratic , the you guys have to be agree on this, and that is will determine outcome once for all, we are confident!! Are you???

If you guys believing of civil and democratic society it should be very fair, with no valiance nor killing!!

Oh,Kurds are rising!By killing innocent civil Turks,women and children without any shame?What a rise!Congrats Mr.Terrorist!:confused:

BTW,pls wake up and realize that all those nations who "help" you are using you for their strategies.And stop calling people idiots.Have some honor!

[blackkartal]

:D

DREAAAAMMM DREAM DREAM DREAM DREAAAAAAAMMMM:D (i hop you know that famous song:D )

(Kurdish national anthem)

HEY ENEMY !

Hey enemy, the Kurdish nation is alive with its language
Can not be defeated by the weapons of any time
Let no one say Kurds are dead
Kurds are living
Kurds are living, their flag will never fall


We, the youth are the red colour of the revolution
Watch our blood that we shed on this way
Let no one say Kurds are dead
Kurds are living
Kurds are living, their flag will never fall


We are the generation of Medya and Keyhusrew
Both our faith and religion are our homeland
Both our faith and religion are Kurd and Kurdistan
Let no one say Kurds are dead
Kurds are living
Kurds are living, their flag will never fall


The Kurdish youth have risen like lions
To adorn the crown of life with blood
Let no one say Kurds are dead
Kurds are living
Kurds are living, their flag will never fall


The Kurdish youth are ever present and
Forever will be ready to sacrifice their lives
Sacrifice each life they have, each life they have!!!...


WROTED BY DILDAR
.

[sardar]

when u cant accept me as a human when u cant accept me to stady in my mom language when u cant accept my nation when u cant accept my flag when u cant accept my culture when u cant accept my erth when u cant accept my language
and when u dont belive in dialogs THEN U MUST DIE
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM
OUT RACIST MOGOLISTHATS ALL WHAT WE ARE FIGHTING FOR !

[thanks to God i m turkish]

Hi All Brothers,
In The Past Arabic People Made Mistake Against Ottoman Empire And It Was Mistake So That They Were With Kaffirs..in Quran God Warns Muslims Mustnt Be With Kaffirs..kurds Have Been Making Same Mistakes Being With Kaffirs...
Turkish People Have Never Begged For Their Independence From Kaffirs In History..so Turks Are Respected By All Nations All Over The World...
In Turkey Everybody Are Turkish Citizens And If Someones Dont Accept It,they Must Go Away To Find Another Home For Themselves..
Ne Mutlu Turkum Diyene..

[diyako]

Hi All Brothers,
In The Past Arabic People Made Mistake Against Ottoman Empire And It Was Mistake So That They Were With Kaffirs..in Quran God Warns Muslims Mustnt Be With Kaffirs..kurds Have Been Making Same Mistakes Being With Kaffirs...
Turkish People Have Never Begged For Their Independence From Kaffirs In History..so Turks Are Respected By All Nations All Over The World...
In Turkey Everybody Are Turkish Citizens And If Someones Dont Accept It,they Must Go Away To Find Another Home For Themselves..
Ne Mutlu Turkum Diyene..

You still living in the past,which has no merit of fact, in world of fantasy!!! you Turks dreaming too much.
who is kaffir you calling!! USA, European! well I guess they must be kaffir according to you, by feeding you and your generals !! and keep Kurds in Mersey of barbaric nation like you! Dude !! don’t be stupid !! Thanks to west, Turkey still breathing in northern Kurdistan(so called east Turkey). You owe them with whole your turkey even you sell your mama to them still is not enough!!

[diyako]

Oh,Kurds are rising!By killing innocent civil Turks,women and children without any shame?What a rise!Congrats Mr.Terrorist!

BTW,pls wake up and realize that all those nations who "help" you are using you for their strategies.And stop calling people idiots.Have some honor!



What a stupid and dumb comment!!
Your turkey have been busy even since its foundation ,with force assimilation, killing ,murdering, genociding Kurdish nation, and when time for Kurds to scream outside wall you call term using!! Are you stupid!!!! Well is dumbest things ever I hard!!! Thanks to those countries your Ata Turk sell himself for killing Kurdish aspiration as was agreed in sver agreement and signed lozan agreement!!
Kurds are nation civilized, and will seek friends anywhere, not like your little turkey every day bagging Jewish lobby in Washington in order to continue their occupational in Kurdistan!!! Kurds have friend and they will seek more strategic friends, and soon when you run of friends, we shall see your turkey in pieces


As we all know in turkey anyone peacefully even argue Kurdish case, your system treat them as terrorist and must be killed or tortured, is no wonder you call me terrorist in American journal!!! See how your Turk mentality of denial , oppressive and racist attitude towards Kurds are, and let me tell you, this oppressive system is no loger valid in 21 century, will hit wall and will be hunted

God Blass KURDISTAN God Blass AMERICA

[sardar]

the email that i become from a racist idiot
Datum Fri, 4 Aug 2006 13:52:51 +0300
Von: "Oðuz TOLGA" <oguztolga@gmail.com>
An: "serdar star" <serdar_star_info@yahoo.de>
Betreff: Re: not idiot language kurdish or english

Turks have been killing idiot kurds for 8000 years one more or less makes no differance.Your father must be an idiot too .because you dont know anything about the history .
.................................................. .................................................. ......

yes we and all world knows that u people killing us for long time yes ur right .yes we know and all world knows that turks stolled the whole kurdistan ! hey idiot u son bitch ata turk just thats why we are fighting for freedom because as U SAID TURKS HAVE BEEN KILLING KURDS FOR 8000 YEARS ! so just be idiot just be stupid world have been changed,and u better know i know more then idiot like u about history what i know and what i say world saying it toooooo ,,and what u know and what u say is just what u have learned from turkish racistan school :D and nobody is agree with u and idiot people like u !!!! so see who is going to win !

SAY YES FOR FREEDOM OUT RACIST MOGOLIS GOD BLESS KURDISTAN GOD BLESS AMERICA GOD BLESS ISRAEIL GOD BLESS ENGLAND

[miki]

GOD BLESS AMERICA GOD BLESS ISRAEIL GOD BLESS ENGLAND

HAHAHHAAHHAAHAHAHAHHA :D

[thanks to God i m turkish]

USA or israel or other collaborators will never be successful in the wars of Middle East Region...
now look at the attacks of israel..moslem countries are in silence for a short time because all over the world will see who are racists and barbarians and accept israel government is in wrong...
up to me all moslem people must boycott for israel's products..yes it should start soon..
what do u brothers think?
ne mutlu turkum diyene...

[sardar]

in mohammed time israeilian people were in makka and medina so see in that time israeilian people were in suhdia arbic and fashist arbeic start war with them from that time till now ..we can say even makka and meddina is belong to israeil like is blong to arbeic people too ....but arabs are so racist like turks they dont even leave israelian people in israeil gods poletic party captured 2 israeil soldat - for nothing why ? when they do such shit then they must die....... since give this world moslims are killing juden why ? but ur just like all idiot radikal arabs u can never see the truth !!! and know u idiot am just saying the truth ,,,,i dont need any thanks from nobody SAY YES FOR FREEDOM
OUT RACIST MOGOLIS

GOD BLESS KURDISTAN GOD BLESS AMERICA GOD BLESS ISRAEIL

[blackkartal]

:D

I TELL YOU ONT THING: HOOOOOOOSSSTT!!! (we use this expression in Turkish language when a dog is barking:D :D


when u cant accept me as a human when u cant accept me to stady in my mom language when u cant accept my nation when u cant accept my flag when u cant accept my culture when u cant accept my erth when u cant accept my language
and when u dont belive in dialogs THEN U MUST DIE
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM
OUT RACIST MOGOLISTHATS ALL WHAT WE ARE FIGHTING FOR !

[akgunes]

International borders are never completely just. But the degree of injustice they inflict upon those whom frontiers force together or separate makes an enormous difference &mdash; often the difference between freedom and oppression, tolerance and atrocity, the rule of law and terrorism, or even peace and war.

http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2006/06/1833899
EVERYONE IN THE WORLDS MUST KNOW THAT THE BORDERS IN THE MIDDLE EAST CAN BE CHANGED EXCEPT TURKIYE.IF THEY HAVE ANY DREAM OR PLAY OVER TURKIYE THEIR DREAM OR PLAY WILL RETURN TO THE NIGHTMARE....TURKISH PEOPLE ARE NOT LIKE OTHERS...THEY CAN NOT LIVE WITHOUT INDEPENDENCY.....

ON THE OTHER HAND ; DO THEY KNOW HOW THE KURDISH PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN TURKIYE....THERE IS NO DIFFERENCES BETWEEN TURKS AND KURDS...

I THINK USA WILL MOVE TO THE MIDDLE EAST SOON....WHY?..VERY SIMPLE ANSWER BECAUSE THEY NEED THE ENERGY SOURCES.....VERY SOON THEY WILL HAVE NO ENERGY AND BECOME POORER THAN AFRICA....

DEAR USA CITIZENS, YOU ARE LOOSING YOUR WORTH IN THE WORLD.DO NOT PERMIT TO YOUR POLITICIANS TO DO THAT.YOU ARE WASTING YOUR HISTORY....DO YOU KNOW 4 OR 5 YEARS AGO EVERYBODY WANTED TO COME TO USA TO LIVE BUT TODAY BELIEVE ME NO BODY WANTS TO DO THAT...YOUR COUNTRY IS NOT DREAMLAND ANYMORE....WAKE UP AND TURN TO YOURSELF AND STOP KILLING PEOPLE IN BEIRUT, PALESTINE,IRAQ AND OTHERS......TRY TO HELP THEM IN USING NORMAL WAY....NOT USING WEAPONS....GIVE THEM FOOD, ACCOMADATION,WATER, GOOD FEELING LIKE TURKIYE....

[sardar]

akgunes
ON THE OTHER HAND ; DO THEY KNOW HOW THE KURDISH PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN TURKIYE....THERE IS NO DIFFERENCES BETWEEN TURKS AND KURD


BECAUSE OF SUCH IDIOT DOGS


GOD BLESS KURDISTAN GOD BLESS AMERICA

[aligurkankaraaslan]

The ones who break the peace will be punished sooner or later

[aligurkankaraaslan]

when u cant accept me as a human when u cant accept me to stady in my mom language when u cant accept my nation when u cant accept my flag when u cant accept my culture when u cant accept my erth when u cant accept my language
and when u dont belive in dialogs THEN U MUST DIE
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM
OUT RACIST MOGOLISTHATS ALL WHAT WE ARE FIGHTING FOR !
I really don't know what shall i write to.
The ones that want a war for free!! kurdistan. I am really wondering what the problem is. What are the things that you can't make them real. Freedom? You are free as the other fifty race in Türkiye. Language? You can speak, publish or educate in kurdish. Education? The same No one forbids you from that.Work? You are free to make any kind of business except the ones that are forbidden to all of us. Politics? Be a member of TBMM, be prime minister ( By elections of course)Vacation? Go to everywhere you are free to go. Wellfare? Do you know that the most important part of hard-earned money goes to south-east part of Türkiye. So what... What is your problem.
And last but not the least there are nearly 10 million people in Türkiye that sharing kurdish and turkish blood like me. What is your plans for us?

PEACE!!!!

The ones who break the peace will be punished sooner or later

[sardar]

we dont answer chip people like miki and all mikis

[sardar]

ANKARA - Turkish Daily News
PKK opens contact office in Iraqi capital
The outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) has opened a contact office in Iraq's capital city of Baghdad under the name Öcalan Cultural Center -- explicitly referring to its now-imprisoned leader, Abdullah Öcalan, CNN-Türk reported.
The office, which opened on one of the busiest streets in the city, is only 500 meters from the Turkish Embassy, CNN-Türk said.

SEE IT IN MGOLIS DAILY NEWS --- KLICK ME >>> :D (http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=48811)

WITH MY SMOKING ENGLISH :D
so i want to tell all idiot turks writers and fashist regiem if freedom fighters are tirorist how they could open a contact office in capital city bahgdad !?????idiot its just by name soon pkk will be out of tirorist list yeah u just better know it world have been changed idiot i told u more then 1000 times u better give up !!! then dieing is ur future way ! tell me u idiot writers why al-qahida cant open such office ????? and why pkk can do it !!! :D is only 500 meters from the turkish embassy:D


SAY YES FOR FREEDOM OUT RACIST MOGOLIS


GOD BLESS KURDISTAN GOD BLESS AMERICA

[SAYMANU]

I guess, the US General Staff has done the right thing and did not promote you to General.
However, General Staff missing too many Peters and the world getting into a dark nightmare day after day.
At this point I am really pessimistic about the US mothers.
They send their loved ones to all around the world and wait their return in a flagged coffin. For what?
Whatever done since 60 ies are completely fiascos.
Check Vietnam-Afghanistan-Iraq and others. They all end with a BIG FIASCO

[SAYMANU]

The person who dictated that map has never read history in his life.
He has not the slightest idea of the ethnicities in the middle east reagon.
If the case is to "create motherlands" to every ethnicty, the has to draw a "very high resolution" map since there are more than a hundred ethnicities in this part of the world.
One other thing is that (the most important sign that he has no historical background) the Kurds in their lives have never touched their fingers to any seas.
How come Mr Peters open a corridor to Black Sea?
I bet he does not know that this part of black sea is wavy and not suitable for swimming.
I suggest him to open another corridor to Antalya, Ibiza, CopaCobana, or even to Florida (why not?) too.

[aligurkankaraaslan]

SEE IT IN MGOLIS DAILY NEWS --- KLICK ME >>> :D (http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=48811)

WITH MY SMOKING ENGLISH :D
so i want to tell all idiot turks writers and fashist regiem if freedom fighters are tirorist how they could open a contact office in capital city bahgdad !?????idiot its just by name soon pkk will be out of tirorist list yeah u just better know it world have been changed idiot i told u more then 1000 times u better give up !!! then dieing is ur future way ! tell me u idiot writers why al-qahida cant open such office ????? and why pkk can do it !!! :D is only 500 meters from the turkish embassy:D


SAY YES FOR FREEDOM OUT RACIST MOGOLIS


GOD BLESS KURDISTAN GOD BLESS AMERICA
Sorry my nervous-minded friend. They are all closing by the orders of your beloved america to the puppet iraqi governor. What will you say about this.

[Sweepcall]

I like parts of your attitude, and other parts i don't like.

First, Choni kaka,

Racists, yes everyone hates them..
Extremists, yes everyone hates them

but

USA is planning on a new map. Yes they are.
USA has created the Qa'eda and Usama bin laden whole network. YES THEY DID.
USA is paying money and supplying weapons and armors to Terrorists groups (which they have created) in Iraq, YES, YES, AND YES, YES, AND YES YES THEY ARE INDEED.

USA are planting road side bombs to kill 95% iraqis and 5% of their own hammers, YES YES YES, how come? CAUSE I AND A DOZEN HAVE SEEN THEM BY OUR BARE EYES AT TIMES FROM 3AM TO 4:30 AM IN THE MORNING INSTALLING THE BOMBS. WHERE WERE WE? WE WERE IN THE BALCONY. YES.

no one hates kurds, or shiites, or sunnies, christians, jews, or buddists. COZ WE DON'T CARE.
who are we? WE ARE IRAQIS in the majority of 90%.

and about God bless America, i like to say God Bless American People instead. they're peaceful people.

and about Racism,

no offense but please answeer my question although i might not check up on this forum again. but please answer this question:

IF YOU HATE RACISM !!

WHY THE HELL THAT EVERY IRAQI SUNNI OR SHIITE WHO GOES TO DUHOK, ERBIL, SULAIMANIA, FINDS YOU KURDS ARE RACISTS !!!!

SO PLEASE, STOP TALKING ABOUT EXTREMISTS, RACISM OR WHATEVER.

COZ IT'S BETTER TO CLEAN OURSELVES FIRST...

THANK YOU, AND AS I SAID, NO OFFENSE.

GOD BLESS.

[sardar]

first of all u better know that i dont shame of my smoking english with my smoking english u racistan people geting crazy idiotly and just look at kind of ur comment and ur words ... idiot and chip like u.. i use MS extra go and look all of my comments EXAMPLE MS KEMAL ATA DOGS :D AND ABOUT TALABANI HAHAAH u just better know him we all know this dengerosse man what hes saying and what hes doing is really differenc and its normal because hes just a poletic man stop be an idiot stop be an stupid just be human u idiot RACIST
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM OUT RACIST TURKS
GOD BLESS KURDISTAN GOD BLESS AMERICA

[sardar]

NO i dont know niandirtal language and i dont want to learn racistan language and know my mom language is KURDISH and world general language is ENGLISH .......................... if u have such news in english or kurdish ok show it or no need i do believe that may talabani say something like that ...but know as i said what talabani is saying and what hes doing is really differenc but thx god that u racistan people cant understand poletics :D...yeah just know it u RACIST idiot


SAY YES FOR FREE DOM
OUT RACIST TURKS

[sardar]

its because i know u racistan people i just bren racist feeling



SAY YES FOR FREEDOM
OUR RACIST TURKS

[sardar]

If i didnt allow u to study in ur mom language call me RACIST if i stolled ur home and told u shut up call me RACIST if i come to ur home and told u here is my home go out and be quite call me RACIST and if i were human and heard that somebody calling me RACIST then i will shame of myself and my nation and i will be quite and give up or tell u oh sorry my life colige ur right!!! so now am calling u RACIST and ur not respecting ur self and ur nation! if u love ur self and ur nation take ur bag and go home !!! am in my own home and i were boren in this home u just came and start war out said my door !! or tell me where that all turkish soldat have been killed was it in istambul or in golden mountinis in north kurdistan ? when i were boren in kurdistan u were in mongolia !! isnt it ?am not visitor here like u am in my own place yes am in my own home my own erth and am ready to die for this erth ....so what am telling u exactly same to iran regiem and surya regiem too


well its really time to understand each other stop losing blood for nothing u cant kill 35 million people when their true take ur bag and go home if not U MUST SOON
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM OUT RACIST TURKS

[Nastiye]

What a stupid and dumb comment!!
Your turkey have been busy even since its foundation ,with force assimilation, killing ,murdering, genociding Kurdish nation, and when time for Kurds to scream outside wall you call term using!! Are you stupid!!!! Well is dumbest things ever I hard!!! Thanks to those countries your Ata Turk sell himself for killing Kurdish aspiration as was agreed in sver agreement and signed lozan agreement!!
Kurds are nation civilized, and will seek friends anywhere, not like your little turkey every day bagging Jewish lobby in Washington in order to continue their occupational in Kurdistan!!! Kurds have friend and they will seek more strategic friends, and soon when you run of friends, we shall see your turkey in pieces


As we all know in turkey anyone peacefully even argue Kurdish case, your system treat them as terrorist and must be killed or tortured, is no wonder you call me terrorist in American journal!!! See how your Turk mentality of denial , oppressive and racist attitude towards Kurds are, and let me tell you, this oppressive system is no loger valid in 21 century, will hit wall and will be hunted

God Blass KURDISTAN God Blass AMERICA

Dear Diyako,
What kind of a brutal anger you have!It actually gives you away...
First of all,can you prove a "genocide"?It's real easy to say that word.I still can not see a rise,especially a rise of the nation of Kurds by ITSELF.
Sorry but you have to accept that it is a characteristic of Turks that we can't bear slavery.We saved our nation from it without any help.Nobody is begging here.
Also I think you seriously need to stop barking to people and calling their ideas stupid and dumb,because it showes only that you talk without reasonably thinking.You keep saying the same things,you go no farther.It seems to me you are more narrow-minded.
Sevres Agreement was never put in action.There was only one reason:Although Ottoman governors agreed to sign it,the Turks disagreed it(the characteristic again here.)
Another thing,I see Turks everyday.If there were a such a homogenized nation as "Turks",then all Turks would look like Asians.But we have blondes,blue-eyeds,brunettes,and so on.Because there is only one criteria to be a Turk:to feel Turkish.We don't care about where who comes from.So how can you think such a nation would be fascists???We don't hate all Kurds,and if you find quotes full of hatred,there is only one reason:Kurdish terrorists trying to take our land and killing innocent ppl while attempting it.Those are my feelings,I weren't brainwashed.One difference between you and us:We don't murder innocent Kurds!
Our "little Turkey"?Where is "Kurdistan"?
You are talking about Turkey "begging" to its friends(I still can't understand who they are) and then you are proud of your group of Kurds having "friends"?What kind of an irony is that?:)
And last but not least,victory is gotten by the one itself,not by the "powerful" friends' pressure!
Hope to see you more reasonable and open-minded next time.(And sorry for my uncontrolled anger last time,
Nastiye

[Nastiye]

GOD BLESS KURDISTAN GOD BLESS AMERICA [/CENTER]

if you are Kurdish, why do you ask god to bless America too?What kind of a love is that???:rolleyes: Come on,correct me if I'm wrong.
Diyako,I ask for your answer too:p

[sardar]

why god bless america because since give america they have fighted approximate diktatrors and tirorist like iraq afganistan natzi kosovo and look at iran surya hzbula al-qahida and turkey will be after iran and surya if america lost they are power u racistan and idiot arabs radikal will control our world our life ....so the usa army is freedom fighter thats why GOD BLESS KURDISTAN GOD BLESS AMERICA
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM
OUT RACIST TURKS

[sardar]

If i didnt allow u to study in ur mom language call me RACIST if i stolled ur home and told u shut up call me RACIST if i come to ur home and told u here is my home go out and be quite call me RACIST and if i were human and heard that somebody calling me RACIST then i will shame of myself and my nation and i will be quite and give up or tell u oh sorry my life colige ur right!!! so now am calling u RACIST and ur not respecting ur self and ur nation! if u love ur self and ur nation take ur bag and go home !!! am in my own home and i were boren in this home u just came and start war out said my door !! or tell me where that all turkish soldat have been killed was it in istambul or in golden mountinis in north kurdistan ? when i were boren in kurdistan u were in mongolia !! isnt it ?am not visitor here like u am in my own place yes am in my own home my own erth and am ready to die for this erth ....so what am telling u exactly same to iran regiem and surya regiem too


well its really time to understand each other stop losing blood for nothing u cant kill 35 million people when their true take ur bag and go home if not U MUST SOON
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM OUT RACIST TURKS

[julenar]

Remember ... all the problems in the Middle East are created to give Israel the space to breathe. Is Peter trying to hide the fact that this SUGGESTED map is actually to create a bigger Israel?!!! After all, all the jews in the world want their promised land!!! don't they Peter? Other human beings don't matter, just do what was done in the region a century ago, divide and conquer more...

Think we can't see this? But I hope all the rest will be able to just like we do.

[blackkartal]

oooooo maaan (you might be a woman or gay...welll...I dont know.... doesnt matter)....I told you several times stop barking with oversized letters!! stop using useless slogans!! try tp be bit logical and try to improve yourself and post something that has ground!!
actually...you are so funnyy!! :D :D and you are making me lough!:D BUT IT IS ENOUGH I SUPPOSE....:p


If i didnt allow u to study in ur mom language call me RACIST if i stolled ur home and told u shut up call me RACIST if i come to ur home and told u here is my home go out and be quite call me RACIST and if i were human and heard that somebody calling me RACIST then i will shame of myself and my nation and i will be quite and give up or tell u oh sorry my life colige ur right!!! so now am calling u RACIST and ur not respecting ur self and ur nation! if u love ur self and ur nation take ur bag and go home !!! am in my own home and i were boren in this home u just came and start war out said my door !! or tell me where that all turkish soldat have been killed was it in istambul or in golden mountinis in north kurdistan ? when i were boren in kurdistan u were in mongolia !! isnt it ?am not visitor here like u am in my own place yes am in my own home my own erth and am ready to die for this erth ....so what am telling u exactly same to iran regiem and surya regiem too


well its really time to understand each other stop losing blood for nothing u cant kill 35 million people when their true take ur bag and go home if not U MUST SOON
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM OUT RACIST TURKS

[sardar]

oooooo maaan (you might be a woman or gay...welll...I dont know.... doesnt matter)....I told you several times stop barking with oversized letters!! stop using useless slogans!! try tp be bit logical and try to improve yourself and post something that has ground!!
actually...you are so funnyy!! :D :D and you are making me lough!:D BUT IT IS ENOUGH I SUPPOSE....:p


no matter give up i want to see ur answer if ur human give up and go home.yes if ur human u shuold give up.dont worry about big size give up and go home
say yes for freedom
out racist turks

[sardar]

where is ur answer ???!!!

If i didnt allow u to study in ur mom language call me RACIST if i stolled ur home and told u shut up call me RACIST if i come to ur home and told u here is my home go out and be quite call me RACIST and if i were human and heard that somebody calling me RACIST then i will shame of myself and my nation and i will be quite and give up or tell u oh sorry my life colige ur right!!! so now am calling u RACIST and ur not respecting ur self and ur nation! if u love ur self and ur nation take ur bag and go home !!! am in my own home and i were boren in this home u just came and start war out said my door !! or tell me where that all turkish soldat have been killed was it in istambul or in golden mountinis in north kurdistan ? when i were boren in kurdistan u were in mongolia !! isnt it ?am not visitor here like u am in my own place yes am in my own home my own erth and am ready to die for this erth ....so what am telling u exactly same to iran regiem and surya regiem too


well its really time to understand each other stop losing blood for nothing u cant kill 35 million people when their true take ur bag and go home if not U MUST SOON
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM OUT RACIST TURKS

[sardar]

where is ur answer ???!!!

If i didnt allow u to study in ur mom language call me RACIST if i stolled ur home and told u shut up call me RACIST if i come to ur home and told u here is my home go out and be quite call me RACIST and if i were human and heard that somebody calling me RACIST then i will shame of myself and my nation and i will be quite and give up or tell u oh sorry my life colige ur right!!! so now am calling u RACIST and ur not respecting ur self and ur nation! if u love ur self and ur nation take ur bag and go home !!! am in my own home and i were boren in this home u just came and start war out said my door !! or tell me where that all turkish soldat have been killed was it in istambul or in golden mountinis in north kurdistan ? when i were boren in kurdistan u were in mongolia !! isnt it ?am not visitor here like u am in my own place yes am in my own home my own erth and am ready to die for this erth ....so what am telling u exactly same to iran regiem and surya regiem too


well its really time to understand each other stop losing blood for nothing u cant kill 35 million people when their true take ur bag and go home if not U MUST SOON
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM OUT RACIST TURKS

[sardar]

WHY WE ARE WINER BECAUSE WHAT WE ARE SAYING WOLRD SAYING IT TOOOOO AND WHAT WE BELIEVE WORLD BELIEVE IT TOOOO !!!!! WHY U RACISTAN ARE LOSER BECAUSE WHAT U RACISTAN ARE SAYING WORLD IS NOT AGREE WITH AND WHAT U RACISTAN BELIEVE WORLD IS NOT BELIEVEING IT
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM OUT RACIST TURKS

[SAYMANU]

I suppose it is better to stop exchanging views with this "salako"
Spending time to decode his kurdish-english is a hell time waste.
We should go back to the main subject about that map of that retired US officer,
What surprise me is US does not have any respect to any nation's territories even if they are their allies.
So what is the use of NATO or similar treaties?

[sardar]

where is ur answer ???!!!

If i didnt allow u to study in ur mom language call me RACIST if i stolled ur home and told u shut up call me RACIST if i come to ur home and told u here is my home go out and be quite call me RACIST and if i were human and heard that somebody calling me RACIST then i will shame of myself and my nation and i will be quite and give up or tell u oh sorry my life colige ur right!!! so now am calling u RACIST and ur not respecting ur self and ur nation! if u love ur self and ur nation take ur bag and go home !!! am in my own home and i were boren in this home u just came and start war out said my door !! or tell me where that all turkish soldat have been killed was it in istambul or in golden mountinis in north kurdistan ? when i were boren in kurdistan u were in mongolia !! isnt it ?am not visitor here like u am in my own place yes am in my own home my own erth and am ready to die for this erth ....so what am telling u exactly same to iran regiem and surya regiem too


well its really time to understand each other stop losing blood for nothing u cant kill 35 million people when their true take ur bag and go home if not U MUST SOON
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM OUT RACIST TURKS

[Nick]

Mr. Peters proposal is interesting and somehow encouraging to see where it will end. Despite the Turkish nervous respond to this article and their declaration of friendly attitude to their "Mountainous Turks" (Kurds) and their "Christain Turks" (Armenians), the histroy dispalyed the exactly opposite. The force deportation, massive killings, destruction of historical and cultural monuments (especially Armenian in Eastern Anatolia), and GENOCIDE are enough facts to redraw the Turksih map in order to create a peacful Middle East. It is a time, one time and forever, to end this government's grip on the people who whemently reject the Turksih government, Turksih langauge and Turksih culture. The creation of greater Kurdistan is just and must happen sooner or later. Kurds desreve and have all right to be independnet nation and pursue their happiness under their own government and their flourshing culture if they can build this in near future. However, the author discussed the Armenian Genocide and how Western powers unjustly transfer Aremenian land to the new Turkish Republic. The question is following what would be the Armenia's share from eastern Anatolia and how it should be manage to implement the Sever treaty and establishing a two state in that piece of land based on international law and regulations.

I would like to answer My Turkish Friends ,
you did not allow me to talk my mother tongue, so UR racist.

Your "Bashibozugs" stoll my home and you said shut up so I can call you a racist.

You came my home and said this is my home, and you said go out. You are a racist.

And I call you racist and you should shame of yourself forvere, forever, forever.

If you realy want to see who you are, go to the eastern Anaolia a place which was flourishing by trade, business, and art. Go to see ruins of Ani and you should shame of yourself that what you have done to a great civilization and if you have conscience you should cry on the walls of remaining Armenian churches and ask for forgiveness millions of times. It is obviuous that even stones of Eastern Anatolia will not forgive you and will tell you go out ASAP. You are an invador, this is not your home. This is a home for a great nation that you destroyed. It is real shame on you. My ancestors blood will not allow you rest until you go out of their homes forever and do not comeback. This will happen sooner or later.

[peace]

Do you know Canakkale? Do you remember it? Again your fathers like Bush had prepared his army, high technology war machines and said " Tomorrow we will be in İstanbul" But no! Turks,Kurds, Chirkassians, Indias, Arabians said your fathers and Chirchill "Go away! Beat it! ".We had the power of belief .Yes we had win a victory it was the victory of Muslims.One day you will saw again Allah help us and all Muslims will be united.Damn with! the US, Damn with the UK,Europeans(we have seen how you civilized!) and damned Jewish people.

[peace]

Mr. Peters proposal is interesting and somehow encouraging to see where it will end. Despite the Turkish nervous respond to this article and their declaration of friendly attitude to their "Mountainous Turks" (Kurds) and their "Christain Turks" (Armenians), the histroy dispalyed the exactly opposite. The force deportation, massive killings, destruction of historical and cultural monuments (especially Armenian in Eastern Anatolia), and GENOCIDE are enough facts to redraw the Turksih map in order to create a peacful Middle East. It is a time, one time and forever, to end this government's grip on the people who whemently reject the Turksih government, Turksih langauge and Turksih culture. The creation of greater Kurdistan is just and must happen sooner or later. Kurds desreve and have all right to be independnet nation and pursue their happiness under their own government and their flourshing culture if they can build this in near future. However, the author discussed the Armenian Genocide and how Western powers unjustly transfer Aremenian land to the new Turkish Republic. The question is following what would be the Armenia's share from eastern Anatolia and how it should be manage to implement the Sever treaty and establishing a two state in that piece of land based on international law and regulations.

I would like to answer My Turkish Friends ,
you did not allow me to talk my mother tongue, so UR racist.

Your "Bashibozugs" stoll my home and you said shut up so I can call you a racist.

You came my home and said this is my home, and you said go out. You are a racist.

And I call you racist and you should shame of yourself forvere, forever, forever.

If you realy want to see who you are, go to the eastern Anaolia a place which was flourishing by trade, business, and art. Go to see ruins of Ani and you should shame of yourself that what you have done to a great civilization and if you have conscience you should cry on the walls of remaining Armenian churches and ask for forgiveness millions of times. It is obviuous that even stones of Eastern Anatolia will not forgive you and will tell you go out ASAP. You are an invador, this is not your home. This is a home for a great nation that you destroyed. It is real shame on you. My ancestors blood will not allow you rest until you go out of their homes forever and do not comeback. This will happen sooner or later.

You said that my friend.I want to ask that first, do you think only the Turks are migrated ? Don't you know the migration of nations in 375 D.C..You are crying not seriously.You are be cheated people.Your government and your patriarch says lie.Don't you remember or didn't tell you any of your fathers that you were living in comfort with Turks,Arabians,Kurds or any other people? You were rich, you were respected in Ottoman country.You were in peace.But then your father have decided to not live in comfort !And helped to the enemy of Ottomans.In fact your fathers are be cheated by the English or French or Russian people.Then they are be attacked you to your own country, to Ottoman country.Your fathers were like Brutus.
Then Armenian guerillas killed innocent Ottomans,olders,babies and they fired villages.So The Ottoman Government migrated some Armenians to Syria.Beacuse all Armenians can be guerillas. Was that better if the Ottoman soldiers were kill all Armenians.Was that better?Your Blue Book is a lie.Armenians are being cheated.

[SAYMANU]

If all the replies to this thread are accepted to be reality and true, then the USA must empty all north america and return to Ireland, UK, France, Italy,Spain etc and leave these lands to the original owners (were called Red Skins or Red Indians) if some thousands from millions remained after numerous massaccres performed by the ancestors of the SO CALLED CIVILIZED EUROPE.
Anyone who call Turks racist or similar must first read history from the neutral sources.
Without knowing the past or just reading from 'guided sources' always end with tears and agony.
This is why all your parents who withnessed the independence war of Turkey meet in the common sense of the greatness of Turks and the Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.
And to all Armenian friends: Why do you still insist on not reviewing the ottoman archives we opened to the world? We are still waiting your historians and related people.
Be realistic and accept the truth.

[Nastiye]

[CENTER]why god bless america because since give america they have fighted approximate diktatrors and tirorist like iraq afganistan natzi kosovo and look at iran surya hzbula al-qahida and turkey will be after iran and surya if america lost they are power u racistan and idiot arabs radikal will control our world our life ....so the usa army is freedom fighter thats why

why would America "help" you guys without any reason in such a material world??Open your eyes pls...:rolleyes:

PS:I am not cursing you.but you don't know anything but curse.Talk reasonably,cursing won't work with me!

[Nick]

You said that my friend.I want to ask that first, do you think only the Turks are migrated ? Don't you know the migration of nations in 375 D.C..You are crying not seriously.You are be cheated people.Your government and your patriarch says lie.Don't you remember or didn't tell you any of your fathers that you were living in comfort with Turks,Arabians,Kurds or any other people? You were rich, you were respected in Ottoman country.You were in peace.But then your father have decided to not live in comfort !And helped to the enemy of Ottomans.In fact your fathers are be cheated by the English or French or Russian people.Then they are be attacked you to your own country, to Ottoman country.Your fathers were like Brutus.
Then Armenian guerillas killed innocent Ottomans,olders,babies and they fired villages.So The Ottoman Government migrated some Armenians to Syria.Beacuse all Armenians can be guerillas. Was that better if the Ottoman soldiers were kill all Armenians.Was that better?Your Blue Book is a lie.Armenians are being cheated.

This you can expect from a Turk who blinded with official Tukish propaganda. You cannot see what your government have done against the others. The Ottomans and Turkish Republic are not innocent creatures and just rest of the world is bad you are the one just hollies holly. Use your brain, if of course if you have one to use. How on the earth if people who live in conmfot and have wonderful will revolt agianst its government. If people's honor and degnity was protected no one will go out and complain against the Ottomans and Turkish Republic. Watch your face and your hand in the mirror it is bloody as hell and you walk in the ocean of blood that made by your previous and current respective government. Please wakeup, see the world and accept the reality of life. Genocide was not deception and blue book was not a lie. You just in your imagination try to make yourself comfortable that might possible the Blue Book was a myth, but it is a reality. The Turkish government was not able to force "Great Britain" to call Blue Book a piece of WWI propagandation. The same Great Briatin which is the greatest supporter of Turkish state for at least last 300 years.

It is obvious that the Turkish intellectuals are getting tired of Turkish government official propaganda, they are going to examine the reality by their own. They will see the reality of life and will come back and will tell to the Turkish masses that how horrible Turkish leaders are, how horrible Turkish government lies are and how these crazy bastered criminalized our nation.

That's all I can tell you.

[GOKTURK EMPİRE]

Remember WORLD WAR 1 and checkout the time from 1923 till today how many
times the TURKİSH REPUBLİC caused WAR or occupied other countries.
Don't talk about CYPRUS cause TURKİSH BABİES were KİLLED BY the EOKA TERRORİSTS!
NOW TURKİSH BABİES are killed by the P.K.K TERRORİSTS in TURKEY!
İf who likes to wish to stay in the TURKİSH BORDERS made by the LAUSANNE TREATY with a VİSA your WELCOME WE WİLL SHARE OUR BREAD!
And for the ones that deniy their TURKİSH CİTİZENSHİP their are 192 countries
in the WORLD intead of TURKEY they can just F..K OFF! AND GO!
LOVE AND PEACE TO THE WHOLE WİDE WORLD!

[GOKTURK EMPİRE]

Remember WORLD WAR 1 and checkout the time from 1923 till today how many
times the TURKİSH REPUBLİC caused WAR or occupied other countries.
Don't talk about CYPRUS cause TURKİSH BABİES were KİLLED BY the EOKA TERRORİSTS!
NOW TURKİSH BABİES are killed by the P.K.K TERRORİSTS in TURKEY!
İf who likes to wish can stay in the TURKİSH BORDERS made by the LAUSANNE TREATY with a VİSA and your WELCOME WE WİLL SHARE OUR BREAD!
And for the ones that deniy their TURKİSH CİTİZENSHİP their are 192 countries
in the WORLD intead of TURKEY they can just F..K OFF! AND GO!
LOVE AND PEACE TO THE WHOLE WİDE WORLD!
NOTE ASALA'S SONS PLEASE SHUT UP!

[sardar]

BY MR NICK

I WOULD LIKE TO TELL MY TURKISH FRIENDS
you did not allow me to talk my mother tongue, so UR racist.

Your "Bashibozugs" stoll my home and you said shut up so I can call you a racist.

You came my home and said this is my home, and you said go out. You are a racist.

And I call you racist and you should shame of yourself forvere, forever, forever.


YES EXACTLY

if u new turkish generation really love turkey and belive in human right than u people must press u racist regime to give a better life to ur next generastion !if u like or dont like free indipends kurdistan will be build soon ,so u better press ur racist regime to leave kurdhome kurdland kurdistan if u do it u will give ur next generation a better life !!
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM OUT RACIST TURKISH REGIME ;SAME TO IRAN AND SURYE

[sardar]

snice ur accepting LIONSLAND AND CUBRUS be a member of ( EU ) will be only dream ! :D

[yavuz ozalp]

dear diyako i dont usually answer to anyone that dont make sense .i feel ishould for once.i for one dont afraid of saying that im a turkish/american.you dont even identify yourself clearly accept you are a lobyyist against the great turkish nationals.you need to learn more about our history in order to make any comments.ATATURK was a great leader.we are proud of graduating schools that has his perpective.we are not the one that are barking constantly,people like yourself doing it for us .what do you know about turkish democracy.let me enlighten you a bit.republic of Turkiye has a aprx.550 elected cogressman,which whom aprx 35% are kurdish decent turkish citizens.we had a 2 kurdish decent turkish presidents,as well as a prime ministers.every citizen has a same rights.if any so called minority are complaining about it they should go and use their right to vote .nobody is saying Turkiye has the best democracy but we are getting better every day.instead of critize the treatment (i dont beleive they are singled out in any way)if you are concern about some minority group in Turkiye best advise to you is to tell them easiest solution go vote instead of killing innocent peoples.Turkiye has been suffering from the terrorizm since late 70 s.asala started pkk continue.what do or did they accomplish .nothing an they will not the way they do things.so please get your facts straight learn more about my country before you make anymore b...sh.. comments.this is your lesson for today if you want more continue writing more but please talk about the facts not HERESAY. enjoy your days.
your TURKISH teacher for the day.

[sardar]

your TURKISH teacher for the day.

A SHORT ANSWER
WITH MY SMOKING ENGLISH :D
FIRST OF ALL IF I GOT A LITTLE MONEY :D I WILL START ENGLISH LANGUAGE KOLIJ HERE IN KEOLN:THAN I COULD ANSWER U PLL BETTER .BUT FOR NOW I HOPE THAT U PEOPLE COULD UNDERSTAND MY SMOKING :D ENGLISH
SO
WHY UR LOSER !!!? WHOS TURKS IN PERSONALITY !!!? turks peoples and regime always want to be othere peoples boss and stoll other peoples gold and imprialiern othere peoples erth without any shame and if they didnt accept such RACIST idea turks have always killed them and did genosid trajidia like armenia and kurdistan !!!SO UR A LOSER !
because we all know long time ago turks mogols had more land but not ur land other peoples land not ur home other peoples home and u pll always wanted to be other peeples boss or lets say other nations boss in their own home in thier own land but all that nations hadindt accept such RACIST idea und such RACIST mantalitet so as we see now u people had lost other people land day by day till now and it was all because of such RACIST mantalittet like mr 'Yavus Ozalp'.so now is only kurdistan to get back our own home if we take our own home back than turkey will be with istambul and some other nack erth !in other hand turkey will be not stratig for usa and EU any more and USA will STOP turkish frindship soon as they did already .! yes mr ' .yavus ozalp its all becaause of ur RACIST mantaliete and if u dont believe let it we will see as we have seen

SAY YES FOR FREEDOM
OUT RACIST TURKS REGIME

[yavuz ozalp]

A SHORT ANSWER
WITH MY SMOKING ENGLISH :D
FIRST OF ALL IF I GOT A LITTLE MONEY :D I WILL START ENGLISH LANGUAGE KOLIJ HERE IN KEOLN:THAN I COULD ANSWER U PLL BETTER .BUT FOR NOW I HOPE THAT U PEOPLE COULD UNDERSTAND MY SMOKING :D ENGLISH
SO
WHY UR LOSER !!!? WHOS TURKS IN PERSONALITY !!!? turks peoples and regime always want to be othere peoples boss and stoll other peoples gold and imprialiern othere peoples erth without any shame and if they didnt accept such RACIST idea turks have always killed them and did genosid trajidia like armenia and kurdistan !!!SO UR A LOSER !
because we all know long time ago turks mogols had more land but not ur land other peoples land not ur home other peoples home and u pll always wanted to be other peeples boss or lets say other nations boss in their own home in thier own land but all that nations hadindt accept such RACIST idea und such RACIST mantalitet so as we see now u people had lost other people land day by day till now and it was all because of such RACIST mantalittet like mr 'Yavus Ozalp'.so now is only kurdistan to get back our own home if we take our own home back than turkey will be with istambul and some other nack erth !in other hand turkey will be not stratig for usa and EU any more and USA will STOP turkish frindship soon as they did already .! yes mr ' .yavus ozalp its all becaause of ur RACIST mantaliete and if u dont believe let it we will see as we have seen

SAY YES FOR FREEDOM
OUT RACIST TURKS REGIME
my young friend,
you really have problems.i for one should tell you stop hatred.at your age you dont know any better.who ever brain washed you about the dream of a kurdish state is very wrong.there will be no kurdish state or states from any part of TURKIYE.we have been there loooong time and will be there for a looooonnng time.so stop waisting your time on any hopes or dreams you have.have you heard of a north pole ????you probably beleive in SANTA CLAUS TOO..you should beleive this TURKIYE BELONGS TO TURKISH PEOPLE(that includes every tiny bit minoritys)Turks are not prejudice against nobody.people thinks like you been killing innocent people(including women and children for more than 20 some years.please learn more about TURKISH citizens that lives in TURKIYE or abroad.we are not what you think we are ...if you really want to know what you think about us take good look a croos the mirror,you ll see it.get your facts straight than blame ....
there are alot of RACIST GERMANS in germany(skin heads)that killed Turkish and jewish people.you live there not me.it was not turks that killed millions a jewish people.you live with a people that had a idealist prick named hitler.at least i dont live among those people that has the similar ideas .i wonder if you shave your head too.no wonder you called us racist .you live with them ,maybe you are learning from them.you probably getting mad now,dont get mad,we are getting even.be nice and more polite, people will say sardar is no fool now.for now YOU ARE THE BIGGEST FOOL. enjoy

[sardar]

yavuz ozalp]my young friend,
you really have problems.i for one should tell you stop hatred.at your age you dont know any better.who ever brain washed you about the dream of a kurdish state is very wrong.
MAY U HAVE LOOKED AT MY PROFILE OK AM 17 YEARS OLD BUT THIS AGE IS ENOUGHT TO SEE THE TRUTH !!!
SO mr ozalp some times am idiot and ur teacher and now am young and ur intelligent man .hahahaha STILL RACIST know it as ur name !!!and belive in me i really dont want to call nobody RACIST but if even my dad were RACIST i will call him big RACIST

my life kolege do u know who u call brain washed !? u just call smobeody brain wash and tirorist who fight and call for thier mom language..who fight and call for freedom for thier own erth for thier own home !!!...who fight and call for a free life !!! and on all of that i do accept ur independent home because u have ur own language own erth own culture own nation what ever but in ur own home ..so what u have i have toooooo exactly but all differenc well why should ur independent but me as so differenc totaly from other nation u just calling me turkish maotinise and u dont accept my own home as independent! yeah my life kolege if ur a human say the truth,give up tell me WHOS BRAIN WASHED ITS ME OR U ????!!!! if u peoples regime say the truth u people will give ur next generattion a better life yeah belive it man u will be a member of EU good eat good sleep :D


SAY YES FOR FREEDOM
OUT RACIST TURKISH REGIME

[aslveben]

gazete okuda biraz PKK ofislerinin kapanmaya basladigini gor,aciyorum sana, teroristlerin koruyuculugu sana kalmis galiba, bi arkadasimizin dedigi dogru yolu bul gel batmana, diyarbakira,kendi dilin konus ,,,,,yok yagma, sen TURKIYE,YE gelme zaten, sana irak layik, unutmaki bu sehirlerde turkiye sinirlari dahilindeki sehirler,
yazik ki kelime hazinendede idiottan baska kelime yok



with my smoking english

idiot show me in north kurdistan kurdish school .where is kurdish school in north kurdistan u idiot ? tell me ....u did wrote about freedom fighters( PKK )
ok as we know al-Qahida is a tirorist organisation grupe and they are every where forbidden but pkk have a big stition in europ or lets say roj tv .rojtv belong to ( PKK ) and its not forbidden its just in danimark and everybody knows that it belong to ( PKK ) when ( PKK ) is a tirorist then they will be forbidden everywhere! many times mangolian rigim tried to close ( ROJTV ) but they lost like always and rojtv is still running ( THANKS DANIMARK ) OK usa puted ( PKK ) in tirorist list and we hope that usa look after this wrong poleitic! we know that that was just a small stratigik between usa and mangolian rigim but that stratigik is not any more and when we get our freehome we will be the best believer country in middle east for usa , and we believe that soon usa will remove ( PKK ) in tirorist list >>> but ( PKK ) just by name is in tirorist list so look now in south kurdistan freedom fighters and usa soldat are just some mettrs far from each other and they have the same shop to buy cigeret ...Ahahahahah ( PKK ) have more then 600 stistion in europ and they are not forbidden !!! how could u say that pkk is tirorist look at rojtv Ahahahahahah...ur really idiot please go and sell tomata in mangolia Ahahahahha if u want i can give u all pkk ,s organitation Addres in eruop.so
idiot even now we cant use (NEWROZ ) word because theres no ( W ) in mangolian language .....u idiot mangolian why do u lie ? do u think people will belive in u when u say that we as kurdish cant understan each other idiot its just dialeckt ,then we are all one !!!!!!example look at germany we have ( hoch deutsch and plat deutsch ) and we can understan each othere but we have also general language for the whole germany ,and that general language was boren after nazi time .and after mangolian imprialism time we will also have a general language for the whole kurdistan as now we are trying to do it in suoth kurdistan .....!!!
say yes for freedom !!!
our racist mangolian !
just for info >>>>>Ahahahaha http://www.roj.tv

[sardar]

gazete okuda biraz PKK ofislerinin kapanmaya basladigini gor,aciyorum sana, teroristlerin koruyuculugu sana kalmis galiba, bi arkadasimizin dedigi dogru yolu bul gel batmana, diyarbakira,kendi dilin konus ,,,,,yok yagma, sen TURKIYE,YE gelme zaten, sana irak layik, unutmaki bu sehirlerde turkiye sinirlari dahilindeki sehirler,
yazik ki kelime hazinendede idiottan baska kelime yok


I SWEAR OF THE GOD THAT U BELIVE NOT ME ,THAT I COULDNT UNDERSTAND NOTHING ONLY (yok )I THINK IT MEANS (no or not )I HAVE LEARNED FROM MY X x TURKISH GIRLFRIEND AND WITH SOMEOTHERE WORDS ,SO I TOLD U PLL !1000 TIMES AM FROM SOUTH KURDISTAN I CANT UNDERSTAN TURKISH LANGUAGE MAN TYPE IN ENGLISH .ARE U IDIOT ? OR RUNNING FROM ANSWER OR AFRIED OF MY TOUNGE ????:D

AND IF U THINK THAT AM PKK ITS ONLY NOT TRUE BUT I LOVE THEM ALL I LOVE THEM MORE THAN MY MOM BECAUSE THEIR´KURDISTAN FREEDOM FIGHTER .AND IF I BE A MEMBER OF PKK OFCOURSE I WILL BE PROUD !!!
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM
OUT RACIST TURKISH REGIME

[kurdistani]

Ok I have read this thread... although much of it is racist insults from both sides...

1. Peters is an ex army general. He is expressing his view as a private citizen ofthe US. I don't think his plan is approved by the US government. Part of of having free speech is allowing people to say whatever they like...

2. There is aboslutely no chance that this plan would ever work or be even possible.

3. Generally speaking the Kurdish question needs to be solved in a democratic way and each solution should he designed for the country that it is dealing with. Kurds in each part of Kurdistan have radically different political cultures and each different Kurdish community needs a different olution.

a. In Iraq, an independent Kurdish state is the best solution. There are already the institutions of a Kurdistan in Iraqi Kurdistan. The political culture of the Iraqi Kurds is radically different to the politics in Arab Iraq. In Arab Iraq Islamic fundimentalism is the main opposition ideology. In Kurdistan the main ideology (even amongst the opposition) is secular. The biggest threat to Turkey does not come from a Kurdish state but rather th collapse of the Kurdish state. If the Kurdistan Regional Government was to collapse it would be the PKK that gained the most. What is more, Kurdish nationalism in Iraq is institutionally limited to Iraq.

b. In Iran the Kurdish question can be solved as part of a federated Iranian state which has federal states for the Azeri people, Kurds, Loris and Baluch. The fact that Persians are only a minority means that the nationalities will balance eachother out.

c. In turkey, the extremist nationalists have to get it in to their heads that a military solution alone will not solve the Kurdish issue... To solve it there must be Kurdish cultural rights protected and supported by the state... more democracy is the only way foward....

[pirate]

Turkish people are not racist. You know alot kurdish people work for the Turkish Army Forces. They have equal rights with Turks. A lot of different culture live in Turkey not just Kurds. So lets found Ottoman Empire again. But Kurdistan is just a funny dream in Turkey's territory. Turks can die for every parts of their country. We didn't let Kurdistan in the past. And we will never let it in the future. Kurds I think you should should stop being a puppet of America. This land is our since 1071 and will be ours forever....:)

[sardar]

we did a little discosion and lets ask A F J whos the winer :D u people have nothing more to say u pll better to take bag and go home :D in other pages discosion u pll type only in turkish means u pll want to hear urself only u pll dont want other pll to answer thats why u type only in turkish and ur a loser :D
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM
OUT RACIST TURKISH REGIME

[sardar]

yavuz ozalp]my young friend,
you really have problems.i for one should tell you stop hatred.at your age you dont know any better.who ever brain washed you about the dream of a kurdish state is very wrong.
MAY U HAVE LOOKED AT MY PROFILE OK AM 17 YEARS OLD BUT THIS AGE IS ENOUGHT TO SEE THE TRUTH !!!
SO mr ozalp some times am idiot and ur teacher and now am young and ur intelligent man .hahahaha STILL RACIST know it as ur name !!!and belive in me i really dont want to call nobody RACIST but if even my dad were RACIST i will call him big RACIST

my life kolege do u know who u call brain washed !? u just call smobeody brain wash and tirorist who fight and call for thier mom language..who fight and call for freedom for thier own erth for thier own home !!!...who fight and call for a free life !!! and on all of that i do accept ur independent home because u have ur own language own erth own culture own nation what ever but in ur own home ..so what u have i have toooooo exactly but all differenc well why should ur independent but me as so differenc totaly from other nation u just calling me turkish maotinise and u dont accept my own home as independent! yeah my life kolege if ur a human say the truth,give up tell me WHOS BRAIN WASHED ITS ME OR U ????!!!! if u peoples regime say the truth u people will give ur next generattion a better life yeah belive it man u will be a member of EU good eat good sleep :D

[logicuser]

I think we can make a similar map for every country.All over the wolrd countries inciludes different origined people.When we look at World Cup 2006,every european country has a black player who is from Africa,even French mostly known as the start of nationalism,it is true for Germany and spanish populated America too.But author never suggest this kind of opinion for Hispanics in southern Texas.Lets make a map for them in America...

I think it is not just because of author caring the Kurd or else,it is because of the World's energy source control.The goverment of USA will continue to suggest this kind of maps but Turkey,Iran and Azerbajian will nor let them go

[sardar]

[logicuser] but Turkey,Iran and Azerbajian will nor let them go



sice usa is alive who are u just tell me ?:D whats ur tecnologi ur sweet water ur lecker fish ?:D stop dreaming stop learning from kemal school .world is not like that as u kemals seen world god is still alive!!!

GOD BLESS KURDISTAN GOD BLESS AMERICA

[yavuz ozalp]

Ok I have read this thread... although much of it is racist insults from both sides...

1. Peters is an ex army general. He is expressing his view as a private citizen ofthe US. I don't think his plan is approved by the US government. Part of of having free speech is allowing people to say whatever they like...

2. There is aboslutely no chance that this plan would ever work or be even possible.

3. Generally speaking the Kurdish question needs to be solved in a democratic way and each solution should he designed for the country that it is dealing with. Kurds in each part of Kurdistan have radically different political cultures and each different Kurdish community needs a different olution.

a. In Iraq, an independent Kurdish state is the best solution. There are already the institutions of a Kurdistan in Iraqi Kurdistan. The political culture of the Iraqi Kurds is radically different to the politics in Arab Iraq. In Arab Iraq Islamic fundimentalism is the main opposition ideology. In Kurdistan the main ideology (even amongst the opposition) is secular. The biggest threat to Turkey does not come from a Kurdish state but rather th collapse of the Kurdish state. If the Kurdistan Regional Government was to collapse it would be the PKK that gained the most. What is more, Kurdish nationalism in Iraq is institutionally limited to Iraq.

b. In Iran the Kurdish question can be solved as part of a federated Iranian state which has federal states for the Azeri people, Kurds, Loris and Baluch. The fact that Persians are only a minority means that the nationalities will balance eachother out.

c. In turkey, the extremist nationalists have to get it in to their heads that a military solution alone will not solve the Kurdish issue... To solve it there must be Kurdish cultural rights protected and supported by the state... more democracy is the only way foward....
i would like to know what kurdish cultures you are talking about.i only know couple of them please enlighten everyone?
their presence of staying in cafeteria all day and sending their wiwes to work.
or having three wiwes and 15 kids and asking local goverment for help,
or maybe going a cross the border to bring illegal stuff are the some i know....
turkish people dont treat anyone different and if you or someone thinks that kurdish or any other minority is going to get treaded different you are mistaken.
you really dont know anything about it.instead of reading some lobbyst news or watching tv.dont really give you enough info.
everyone lives in TURKIYE are under the name TURKISH and they are all equal.that includes probably 70 some minority.some outsiders trying to escalade or create a problem,but they will not succeed.all for one one for all.you cant divide TURKEY.TURKEY belongs to its citizens .look at the history books.some foreign goverment or agency do not want peace in middle east.i wonder why.iran , irak ,palestine,israel,now lebanon think about it ....
who is supporting who than decide.instead ,look for the answer to stop this bloodshed.innocent bystanders getting killed daily you guys are after a dream
that is not going to happen.open your eyes widely you ll see someone is using you. sincerely

[kurdistani]

Sardar the ignorant/naive/brain washed/RACIST/VERY YOUNG FRIEND
im calling you a friend ,because i dont like to curse or give you any other name.please study,learn about TURKIYE and TURKISH people.We are not as bad as you think.we dont label people the way you do.
we may not be perfect but getting there.
we are the best that you can find.

My friend it seems to me that you are the ignorent one... you should learn about the Kurds and what they have suffered in the Republican period to understand the root of terrorism...



we dont stab anyone or any minority inthe back,your kind do

Ataturk promised cultural freedom (i.e use of the Kurdish language and regional autonomy) to the Kurds in order to support the war against greece in 1920. However, he stabbed the Kurds in the back and closed at there cultural societies the first change he had...

we dont sell out.

Turkey has been a key to US power in the middle east. It was a member of the NATO and allowed nukes to be stationed on its terriory. IT has been a base of US troops fro years... Not to mention the fact that since the mid 1996 Turkey has been one of Israelis main allies...

we give you hand you want our arm/you cant succeed.

Racist nonesense

we dont kill innocent people,your kind do

Read any objective human rights report... The Turkish army has been at least as bad as the PKK in willing woman and children...

we dont hit the villages and force people to get a food e t c.

No the Turkish army burns them down...

we dont put bombs on the main roads to kill military persons.

well according to the Turkish press... some former generals now involved with MHP have been doing exactly that...
Oh... and the Palestinians also do that...

we dont deny where we come from

What do you mean?

we are peacefull until you push..continue you ll see it.
All people are peaceful until pushed...
The Turkish state is authoritarian

our ancestors gave us great lessons .we are following their foot steps i suggest you do the same.
?

we dont teach hate your kind do.

You seem to be full of hate... no me... You are the one making generalisations about a whole people.. without know the slightest thing about Kurds... chauvanistist nonesense you pick up from the gutter in IStanbul...

and last one for today.......Turkiye belongs to Turkish citizens...

It should do... but it only seems to belog to Turks and those who deny there origins as non Turks... not everyone...

[aligurkankaraaslan]

I really don't know what shall i write to.
The ones that want a war for free!! kurdistan. I am really wondering what the problem is. What are the things that you can't make them real. Freedom? You are free as the other fifty race in Türkiye. Language? You can speak, publish or educate in kurdish. Education? The same No one forbids you from that.Work? You are free to make any kind of business except the ones that are forbidden to all of us. Politics? Be a member of TBMM, be prime minister ( By elections of course)Vacation? Go to everywhere you are free to go. Wellfare? Do you know that the most important part of hard-earned money goes to south-east part of Türkiye. So what... What is your problem.
And last but not the least there are nearly 10 million people in Türkiye that sharing kurdish and turkish blood like me. What is your plans for us?

PEACE!!!!

The ones who break the peace will be punished sooner or later

Read if you missed it.

[gsoylemez]

Whoever suggested this new map is very disrespectful of other countries' sovereignty! I cannot believe someone dared to suggest this. Turkey is an ally of the US for many many years. It has internationally accepted borders ever since WW1. There are free elections, social services, investments, and so on inside the borders. It is a democratic country!

Clearly, the person who drew the map doesn't know anything about history and politics. What would everyone think if someone drew a map tomorrow, giving half of California and Texas to Mexico? You CANNOT redraw borders by taking away land from countries that are sovereign democratic countries! It's simply not right to even suggest it!

An additional point I'd like to make is that Turkey (a NATO and UN member) is a country fighting against terrorism for 30 years. This terrorist group killed as far as I remember 30,000 people. (http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/kurds.htm) The leader was caught and now is in jail for life. Now, no one has the right to say that those terrorist acts were just in anyway shape or form because they killed Turkish citizens within the borders of Turkey. The US should seek all the support it can get from Turkey to stabilize the region and spread democracy. After all, Turkey is the only democtratic modern muslim country in the region that knows how to fight against terrorism!

[Claire Paque]

As a European, a French national based in Paris, and maybe representing the "Old Europe", I have a simple answer to Mr Peters' article, that derives from the facts as we know them of the USA and its local ally Israel "bringing democracy to the M-East"... at the end of a tank barrel: in a few years' time, 4 countries have been brought to ruins (Afghanistan, population of 30 mn; Iraq, population of 29 mn; Palestine, population of 3 mn + 5 mn refugees; and now Lebanon, population of 3 mn = total of 66+ million people that are left without a state, without a home to live in, and whose loved ones have been killed or maimed either by US or by Israeli bombs and various WMD). The US army and the US government have brought nothing up to date but destruction, death, bloodsheds, tears and despair. By having respect neither for the UN nor for basic int'l and humanitarian law nor moral values, by fabricating false documents and data to justify their action that in fact aim to either steal their land or their oil, by having created Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib, by granting Israel a total impunity for so many years, by flying over Europe and so many other countries people that are illegally abducted and destined to be tortured and/or murdered, the USA and Israel have lost all credibility in the field of "democracy", worldwide. So, my personal message to Mr Peters and to the US army and US govermnent is plain and simple: get out, go home, and stay put!

[osman]

International borders are never completely just. But the degree of injustice they inflict upon those whom frontiers force together or separate makes an enormous difference &mdash; often the difference between freedom and oppression, tolerance and atrocity, the rule of law and terrorism, or even peace and war.

http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2006/06/1833899




Dear sir
The armed forces journal published an article in june2006 under the name(blood borders how a better middle east would look, by Ralph peters)
The article is very important, the subjects are really has great effect on the future of the area and the globe too.
I am also one of the thinking minds searching for a solution for our selves and the generations to live as the human life must be. and to maintain peace and security for a long time.
So, I see the idea of changes is good, but the mechanism is not clear.
First we may think to find general equations, and then apply the general equation on different cases, then looking for details.
The general equation is the rights which have been decided by United Nations as self determination. The nations like Kurds, darforyans, bejas, Baluches, the azaryans should have a chance to make their state, and then the Israel Palestine peace should begin,
To legitimate the process must be based on many factors as below:
1-historical deadline: which is the real time that we use it as references for legal rights? From which year the right infringed? And so many questions need many different answers. one of the most important timelines is the Islamic religion propagation, from this history many nations suffered and inficted,like Jews in Yathrib and Makka and Jerusalem ,Kurds in Iraq and Iran and sham, the druses and moronic in Lebanon, Europeans in Istanbul sasanyans in south iraq,darforyans in sudan,bejas in Sudan the blushes in Asia ,the Azers ,the Pishtons .the Indians . All these nation were suffered directly by Islamic invasion to their societies. The Europeans also suffered in Bulgaria, Armenia, Romania, Yugoslavia, these nations changed to slaves of Arabs or islams for centuries under the Islamic religion impiry.
2-the recent situation: who are those ?where did they live? What they have? This matter is also of a great importance, to collect real data on many fields of life and the relation between these people with their nature. groups of watershed management spe******ts to be sent to the studying area that enter the border of the change .this kind of study bring a huge data on the wills and nature of the society ,then give rise to watershed maps which have great impact on the economic projects .
3-the real nomination: how to nominate? The changes must be legal and scientific depending on the realities; otherwise the experiment of Middle East should face impossibilities as Israel suffering from it now. The Jews have right to live on their lands peacefully and the Arabs changed their holy city from Jerusalem to Myakka but they fight for nothing, They believe the god told them to kill Jews as one of the religion acts to satisfy the god Allah. this is one of the impossibilities that face international community with out solving.it was better to support jews on legal historical back ground to make their state ,not on BRITISH promises.
Now when we want to make a change, we must know that this is a very important surgery to the Middle East brain, which needs groups of historians to plot historical maps for the area for different times. And the UNISCO support. This organization should revise to its definitions for nations, that time USA wills of change should be more easer than recent.
Until now the Islamic families controlling the nations in Middle East they imposed by western support. These families such as naqishbandis, sadat of quraish and saudians having bloodshed history. These minorities like suna of iraq with out forgner support never stay against time as what happened in iraq 2003 .Look to historical map of Persian and compare with the recent map of Iran the changes came to existence during a period when the benefits decided.
The name was Persian Gulf few decades before this name changed to Arabian gulf and so on for many lands and nations.
The people in Basra brought by Hajaj from beja and darfor as slaves within Islamic invasion of iraq 14 ceturies ago. from that time the Africans as slaves found themselves in the world and as citizens in iraq-basra.
So through the application of democracy and human right and legal elections the real shape of the societies will appear, then you can decide while these minorities right has been infringed or not as the changes in sudan.
The real representation of candid never gives rise for identity, since these return back to the society after election. The recent, situation that these power full families only use election for seizing the chair, then they show their back to the society as what happened in Iraq.
4-Natural solutions better than artificial: the natural borders are better than artificial, so we must look for natural distribution of nations and the borders then isolate the different benefits.
The reality and scientific borders are better than imaginary, the legal support is better than armed forces.
The middle east was the center of changes before the Islamic invasion, so after changed to center of war ,now the change come from outside to middle east with new vision and new mechanism. This change will face great difficulties if the Americans alone, and will be easier than drinking glass of water if based on natural legal and historical factors.




OSMAN

14.8.2006

[suildur]

Well, in the beginning I was serious about writing something about history, international relations, war-4-oil etc...

I have readnearly 20 pages of this forum.

I wonder if the author, or the publisher, or the supporters have seen the Turks' reaction.

I won't tell much, but just want to ask something to those separatist Kurds... Do you want some region of Turkey? Ok... Well, most of the Turkish people is sick of this separatist ideas, and they are even on the edge to let you do that.

Maybe, even for the first time Turks will let someone to capture land without doing something.

But, then, what if the Turks and the other ethnical groups (ethnically Turks and other similiar ethnic groups like Lazs, Checens etc.) don't want any Kurds inside Turkey?

For example, Ibrahim Tatlises, will not be able to live in Turkey anymore. Or any other famous guys... What happens then? Will all those Kurds immigrate?

:confused:

You are compeletely blind and dumb... You even don't ask to your blood brothers, you even don't ask to Kurds living in Turkey, if they want that thing or not!

There are lots of Kurds living in Istanbul, Ankara, Izmir... Those Kurds are constitutional citizens of Turkish Republic. And, according to constitutional laws of Turkey, the term Turk, refers to constitutional citizenship, not to an ethnic group.

Those Kurd origined Turkish citizens are happy to live that way. If that was not true then millions of people should be a fanatic participant of a Kurdish Revolution with the help of murderer US soldiers.

But, those Kurd origined Turkish citizens wake up everyday, go their job or school or whatever, work, study, get money, get estate, get land or do what the f..k economic feature and get back their home, watch tv, entertain themselves, marry with other ethnic groups... They live in Turkey. They love this country.

You will never be succesful trying to hide in the back of US barbarians.

So.. For the last... To make the story short...

Stop writing in the forum... Stop writing articles... Stop trying to fight with demolished post Saddam's military's militias...

If you have your word, if you are freedom fighters, if you think you are right, if you are men...

Just do it!!!

Then we will see!

You are so unrespectful, even to yourself, you can not establish your own country on your own. You need a dick like USA.

And you oil lover peacemakers... Just do it.

[orhan]

Blood Borders!!
“….the greatest taboo in striving to understand the region's comprehensive failure isn't Islam but the awful-but-sacrosanct international boundaries worshipped by our own diplomats...” Ralph Peters

‘’ With Islam's holiest shrines under the police-state control of one of the world's most bigoted and oppressive regimes, Saudi’s ….. a regime that commands vast, unearned oil wealth….” Ralph Peters
------------


Heyy Ralph! a piece of devil’s men (with no offence to righteous ones of the same blood!),

You are a member of perhaps the most unjust and most selfish super power in the history of humankind that tries to police World’s oil-rich regions for their self-interest, without giving a dam about human lives in these regions, except those in Israel. Do you think, almighty God (yuce Allah) is unaware of your evil intentions, or what is really in your hearts and minds?

You in the USA are about to consume oil reserves in Texas state. Don’t you think, the vast wealth gained as a result, was “unearned” in this case too? Texas belonged to Mexico a while ago, and before that it belonged to so-called “red skins” that your ancestors exterminated cleverly for their self interest. In your references to Islam noted above, are you pretending to be genuinely concerned with Islam and its holiness. I wish, we (those who were born and raised as believers in Islam) could believe that you are not referring to Islam to promote your own national interests, just like the Saudi Royal family is using it for their own interests. Thanks to unacceptable acts of self-interest in the recent past (usually working in both ways), evil influences in the USA along with modern servants of Zionist all over the World appear to have succeeded to reduce Universal Islam to a man-made religion of a bunch of extremists. Let me tell you that Allah (the one and only God) will not permit that. You need to understand Islam’s message for all human kind. As such, this is for your own benefit and the benefit of the rest of the World! Discover and rediscover Islam as the original and persistent word of the same, one and only God (the Creator) since Adam and Eve, our beloved common parents. We are part of the same family through more recent “chosen ones” such as Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammed of the very same God. So, as brothers and sisters, let’s work together and prevent bloodshed originally caused by the evil forces among us and turn the Middle East the holiest, and most developed place on Earth where God interacted with his beloved human creatures extensively. Let’s give up the imperialist methods of “divide and conquer” and stop suffering of fellow humans in this region. Although we are distinct from one another, God never promoted superiority of one ethnic group over another one as we are all equal in God’s site. Superior ones are those who take His presence and messages into account before they act brainlessly. PKK was born to create a Marksist state in the Eastern Anatolia, Turkey. How would the USA government act, if Fidel Castro’s followers started a similar armed confrontation? Before your evil influences and forces have inflicted ethnic chaos and hatred among us, all people; Turks, Kurds, and all others over 50 ethnic groups or so, have been living together with peace. Let’s do not embark upon ethnic differences to promote devil’s interests. Devil is the common enemy for you and me and all of us, as it wants us to follow its pathway to the Hell. In the site of God, nobility of any ethnic group does not come with new borders that you seem to promote worshippingly in your statements.

I want to conclude with an earlier statement, please stop promoting imperialist methods of “divide and conquer”. Please try to genuinely help for the development of one another in the Middle East for a secure future for all of us. Do not let the devil use you to promote new bloodshed in the Middle East. The USA today may enjoy being a super power, but that power loads a super responsibility on its shoulders. I know, there are very good people in the USA, but their influence falls short of making a difference. So, on the whole, I am deeply disappointed as a muslim turk. Thanks!!!!

[MadTurk]

This land is our land, you cannot conquer an inch from this land. We will fight until the last drop of our blood. Go and plan a map on your continent, we were living in peace once upon a time but now you made us enemies. You are the ones that terrorising the world, conquering countries and naming this action as freeing these countries, giving liberty to them, but you just bring chaos to these countries. Look at Iraq, before they were living under high pressure, but now they cannot go out and walk around their houses, they can be got killed. And all convinced kurdish people to reign and now you are planning to give liberty to them, but it won't happen, I guarantee you. USA and Israel's big actions will be punished, because other countries started to be disturbed by these countries' actions. When somebody doens't agrees you, when somebody doesn't obey you, you call them as terrorists. We lost nearly 40.000 young Turkish men, but when you lost 2-3, you just attack/conquer a country by force. You are the terrorists. Go and draw new borders on your maps. You had done enough to us.

[yavuz ozalp]

This land is our land, you cannot conquer an inch from this land. We will fight until the last drop of our blood. Go and plan a map on your continent, we were living in peace once upon a time but now you made us enemies. You are the ones that terrorising the world, conquering countries and naming this action as freeing these countries, giving liberty to them, but you just bring chaos to these countries. Look at Iraq, before they were living under high pressure, but now they cannot go out and walk around their houses, they can be got killed. And all convinced kurdish people to reign and now you are planning to give liberty to them, but it won't happen, I guarantee you. USA and Israel's big actions will be punished, because other countries started to be disturbed by these countries' actions. When somebody doens't agrees you, when somebody doesn't obey you, you call them as terrorists. We lost nearly 40.000 young Turkish men, but when you lost 2-3, you just attack/conquer a country by force. You are the terrorists. Go and draw new borders on your maps. You had done enough to us.
enough is enough im sick of writing......... WE ARE THE TURKISH CITIZENS,WE WILLNOT GIVE YOU GUYS A NOT EVEN AN INCH.IF YOU THINK YOU CAN ........
COME WE WILL SHOW YOU AGAIN AND AGAIN .YOUR ANCESTORS TRIED AND DIDNT SUCCEED.ALL FOR ONE ONE FOR ALL.
TURKIYE BELONGS TO TURKS...................

[MadTurk]

enough is enough im sick of writing......... WE ARE THE TURKISH CITIZENS,WE WILLNOT GIVE YOU GUYS A NOT EVEN AN INCH.IF YOU THINK YOU CAN ........
COME WE WILL SHOW YOU AGAIN AND AGAIN .YOUR ANCESTORS TRIED AND DIDNT SUCCEED.ALL FOR ONE ONE FOR ALL.
TURKIYE BELONGS TO TURKS...................

IT BELONGS TO US FOREVER

[Tolga40]

The idea all feels right. Local population would love to; western hearts are with it... What else are we waiting for? When do we get brave and courageous enough to break this taboo? Not to forget that all those dictators ruling the Middle East are created and supported by westerners; and they fall as soon as this support is lost. So who should we blame it on; or should I say: who must start the wave?

First of all, what you all suggested, is not acceptable for us, Turkish people... Turkey is a democratic country, and we have minorities, like all of the western countries.. In my country, both kurds and turks have the same democratic rights. To divide Turkey can only be a dream. You say that "this is the only solution to end bloodwars in Middle-East, but that's not true. For example, my country - Turkey- has lost thousands of people in the last 3 decades against the terrorist group PKK (which thinks that this group defends the kurdish people's rights). PKK has killed even the babies and killed civillians.. This article is completely wrong and is the product of the hopes of the people who wants to see these countries divided.. The division of these countries for their benefits... They can control the oil reserves there much more easily when these countries are divided.

The chaos in Middle-East is for the benefits of the western countries and they have developed their diplomacy to gain the control of this territory. The things that western countries couldn't do after the World War 1, are planned to be done in the next decade.

These countries use Human Rights for themselves. Anyone who has information abaout last 50 years, would be aware of this.. So, please, do not provocate the people there...

[CommonSense]

How arrogant! This hallucination episode masquerading as an essai does not even deserve any debate. So Mr. Peter, do you really believe that "fixing the borders" would resolve the issues? How about cause more wars between the mini-entities based on tribal and backward ethnic affilaitions? I liked the fact that you skipped Jordan and only granted it some Saudi land. What's really behind that? Before you go find more problems to solve, I guess you should find some solutions for Iraq. Fix Iraq first and then I'll listen to this nonsense.
Respectfully...

[sardar]

If i didnt allow u to study in ur mom language call me RACIST if i stolled ur home and told u shut up call me RACIST if i come to ur home and told u here is my home go out and be quite call me RACIST and if i were human and heard that somebody calling me RACIST then i will shame of myself and my nation and i will be quite and give up or tell u oh sorry my life colige ur right!!! so now am calling u RACIST and ur not respecting ur self and ur nation! if u love ur self and ur nation take ur bag and go home !!! am in my own home and i were boren in this home u just came and start war out said my door !! or tell me where that all turkish soldat have been killed was it in istambul or in golden mountinis in north kurdistan ? when i were boren in kurdistan u were in mongolia !! isnt it ?am not visitor here like u am in my own place yes am in my own home my own erth and am ready to die for this erth ....so what am telling u exactly same to iran regiem and surya regiem too


well its really time to understand each other stop losing blood for nothing u cant kill 35 million people when their true take ur bag and go home if not U MUST SOON

[GUNTURKUN]

sen ne aptal ahmak cahil okudugunu anlamayan gerizekalı bir insansın böyle ?
o yarım ingilizcenle ancak yazmayı ezberlediklerini yazarsın sikkafalı. okudugunu anla ilk basta da ondan sonra tartıs ya da yaz. Eger anlamıyorsan yerin bu sayfa değil git warnerbros un looney tunes un sayfalarına , orda takıl.
Eksik insan, oku bak önceki postlarda neler anlatılmış! Bu ülkeyi senelerce Kürt kökenli başbakanlar, bakanlar yönetti, son derece iyi mevkilere gelmiş Kürtler var, hepimizin Kürt arkadaşları var, Kürtçe sarkı dinle söyle Kürtce kitap oku kim ne diyecek sana Allahın denyosu. Kısaca bölücülük yapma da ne bok yersen ye... İstersen gel benim yarrağımı ye.
Ama o akılsız aklına sok... O yazdıklarının hiçbiri doğru değil orospu çoçugu...
tamam mı ?

Artık sana küfür etmeden rahat edemiyorum, senin ananın amına beton dökmek lazım ki senin gibi götleri dunyaya getirmesin.

Son olarak da yazında sık sık diyorsun ya RACIST diye, RACIST ler siksin seni de rahat et.
aptal herif, sen daha sürün oldugun yerde, sen kesin bir kahvehanede falan garsonluk yapıyorsundur almanyada... o sikik düşüncelerinle de kendi hayal dunyanda yasıyosundur kesin... Kesin ayda 200 300 euro alıp aç geziyorsundur sonra da o uyesi oldugun pkk bürosunda sana yemek falan veriyorlardır da onların hayallerini ezberliyorsundur.. Sikik seni... senden burda da çok var.. hepinizin anasını sikmek lazım ki Türk de Kürt de rahat etsin.

GUNTURKUN SOYLEMEZOGLU

[MadTurk]

ps: Why do Europeans call us as Barbarian do you know? We killed only men, never touched women or children, so we left people that called us as barbarians. And do you know why the Europeans doesn't be called as barbarians? Because they slaughtered, killed all people they see. They left nobody behind, so nobody called them as barbarians.

[gloin]

no of course, subject is a joke, in our country, there is no difference between a Kurdish or a Turkish person, definitely no, and also we are brothers and sisters with all together. We don t care your foolish plans and strategy, and you will see at that day if you come and wanted to change our country as we showed in our Independence War during the first world war, to england, france, greece etc. we can kick you out easily don t worry, maybe you may get a pillow right time for a less painfull kick:)

Ne Mutlu Türküm Diyene...

[chatin]

ps: Why do Europeans call us as Barbarian do you know? We killed only men, never touched women or children, so we left people that called us as barbarians. And do you know why the Europeans doesn't be called as barbarians? Because they slaughtered, killed all people they see. They left nobody behind, so nobody called them as barbarians.

thats the point I think..thanx
history knows the thurth

[timur]

The time is depented the history, we can say that future is hiden in history. i say these because most people is think in 200 years, hey people think with the history and you will see the real realty. Our nation is not small and barbar. you are seing at now these , blood and violence. This age is the bad bad time for the world history. we use the high technology but the some nations are use the other nations, and you will see that nation is pay that. The Turks did democratic and humanist nation for other people and still are . dont think the interesting maps :)) the future is not the barbar west nation, the sun is rise at east and ll down from east:))

Turks did power and my nation is still power. every barbar maps is destroyed from the TURKs(ottomans) and we are preparing for this.

[aslveben]

son cumlelerimi ingilizce yazmak istemedim ki bu dangalaklara iyice koysun..

tamam biraz sacma olacak ama nası soktuk lafı agzınıza falan gibi cumleler ama tepkimizi koyabildigimiz icin sevincliyim her ne kadar bazı yureklerin yazmak isteyipde bazı nedenlerden dolayı yazamadıklarını bilsemde..

neyse iste koyduk! evet evet damına manına nerelerine denk geldiyse artık! :D

surda 2/3 teroristin yazdigi seyler kac TURKUN tepkisini topladi, biyandan isi gucu yok gecmis netin basinda bildigi bikac kelimeyle laf yetistiriyo iste diyorum, dier taraftan bunun gibileri netten takip edip TEK VATAN TURKIYEYI boluculuk sucuyla yakalamak diyorum, artik benim kardeslik fln inancim cok arakdaslar,kurt geldigi yeri sicar sivar, sen kendi ulkende onlar yuzunden rahat dolasamaz olursun,tek dilegim kuzey irakin federasyondan cikip kurdistan olmasi(ki zaten oldular) ve butun kurtleri oraya surebilmek, ama nerdee...., ah bi sizin gibilerden kurtulabilseydik, ilk isimde bi arkadasin dedigi gibi ibrahim tatlises olurdu herlade, ki sesini duyunca igrenmeye basladim, dunyanin en iyi seslerindeymis, pehhhhhhhhhh
bakin burda pkk progopagandasi yapan salaklar,
TURKIYE baska ulkeler benzemez,belli ideolojilerle, asil kanlar dokulerek kurulmus bir ulkedir, ne iran gibi ne irak gibi nede teror besleyicisi suriye gibi(hos iran bile bizden daha etkili kandil daginda ona icim yaniyo)
bu topraklardan bi karis topragin verilmesi demek, dunyanin sonu demek
hic kimsenin agzinin suyu akmasin, umarim gun gelir ulkede bu pisliklerden ariniriz

[dawn]

Mr. Peters' analyses are shaky at best. Can you imagine if we were to implement blood borders in America? First, it's not the blood that creates confrontation, but oppressive governments and lack of democracy. I can see how the British-drawn borders that came to be in the twentieth century are arbitrary in many places in the Middle East. Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Palestine are all "countries" that were created by the British after the fall of the Ottoman Empire in 1920-21. Why would the Hashemite family from Arabia be entitled to a country called Jordan is beyond me.

At the same time, Mr. Peters who apparently sympathizes with the causes of the Kurds, the Turks, and the Baluchis, doesn't seem to mind pushing Israel to the pre-1967 war. In light of the fact that the Jews have suffered a great deal more repression at the hands of the Arabs in the region than any other minorities, Mr. Peters' solution for Israel is perplexing.

On the other hand, Kurds, Turks, and the Baluchis have lived in Iran and have never experienced the kind of repression to which Mr. Peters refers. These groups have always been considered by all Iranians to be just another face of Iran. Iran's borders have not changed in hundreds of years. I would like to remind Mr. Peters that the problem with Iran is not about its borders. Rather, its about the oppressive theocracy that has been allowed to rule with a heavy hand for the past 27 years. Why don't we get rid of the mullahs and we shall see that Iranians are very well capable of living together in harmony regardless of their ethnic backgrounds?

[bezgin]

ve butun kurtleri oraya surebilmek, ama nerdee....,


Esas senin gibileri sürebilmek lazim. Ama nerdeeee.

[sardar]

If i didnt allow u to study in ur mom language call me RACIST if i stolled ur home and told u shut up call me RACIST if i come to ur home and told u here is my home go out and be quite call me RACIST and if i were human and heard that somebody calling me RACIST then i will shame of myself and my nation and i will be quite and give up or tell u oh sorry my life colige ur right!!! so now am calling u RACIST and ur not respecting ur self and ur nation! if u love ur self and ur nation take ur bag and go home !!! am in my own home and i were boren in this home u just came and start war out said my door !! or tell me where that all turkish soldat have been killed was it in istambul or in golden mountinis in north kurdistan ? when i were boren in kurdistan u were in mongolia !! isnt it ?am not visitor here like u am in my own place yes am in my own home my own erth and am ready to die for this erth ....so what am telling u exactly same to iran regiem and surya regiem too


well its really time to understand each other stop losing blood for nothing u cant kill 35 million people when their true take ur bag and go home if not U MUST SOON

[dawn]

Some of you write in your own languages, which I don't understand. I wish I did, but I don't. Some of you who try to write in English, do not express yourselves very clearly. So, again we have miscommunication.

I only remember very well back when Saddam Hussein was killing off the Kurds, the Shah of Iran gave them refuge in Iran -- anywhere in Iran they wanted to live and not only Kurdistan. I am partly a Kurd from Iran. I know one thing. Before the savage mullahs took over Iran, everyone lived a much better life and all sorts of people lived in peace together in Iran. If for instance, Kurds were not allowed to have Kurdish as their first language, did not make the rest of Iranians racist. Discussions over "official language" of a country are debated in many countries including the U.S.

[saeed]

dear readers
i d like to draw your attentions to my by saying
stupid men are dangerous ,they are more dangerous if they dont know they are stupid,they are the most dangerous if they think they are intellects.the author is either stupid or playing a stupid act because he is sick or seeking some false fame because he does not have anything else better to do or he is
simply running a business for a source of income.
what is important he is either ways unphilosophical and ignorant.he d better sort out the problems his own nation.
he is turning a closed eye to the fact that all the problems in the middle east is instigated initiated by the uk in 40s and in more recent years by the usa the big saitan.
middle easterns have no problems amongst each others even with the israealies .it is the interfere of the west in our affairs that is the cause of all this.democracy is just a pretext petrol is the reason.
look at the international file of the usa from vietnam ,hiroshima until now you will get a cleare picture.

[diyako]

To some fools in forums, who try desperately argue any case to convince themselves, that slaughtering and killing Kurds and keeping them in cadge by keep current boders intact is legitimate one!! Well I like bring to your attention in the past only one thing was enough to draw borders and that was massive force(bloodshed) , today however more civilize way boder can be redrawn and correct the past mistake is will of peoples. Therefore Kurdish nation in this circumstance will welcome any referendum in Kurdistan. Is very simple and logic, or shall be force!! Well it ha been force against Kurds for last 100 years ? have solve anything?? No? do you think future force will? Not at all it break this boders in parts soon or later!!! As we speaking Kurdistan peşmerges(gerilla) in the frontier at war (Tureky, Iran)
@ dawn
Dude!! To be Kurdish is much higher than ever your mind think, don’t mix yourself with Kurdish ness, to be a part of a nation u need to be fully fulfilled, race, culturally linguistically, anything you can mentioned, Kurds or proud nation, Kurdish language and heritage much higher than so called Iran, you know well as everyone , your iran soon or later will ter a part and all sufferiung nations such as Kurds, Azeri turks, turkman Baluch will be free, and your little Persia will be in middle no where!! So sit down and enjoy the last moment of your barbaric country!!!, so don’t confuse yourself, go learn about kurds before coming to forum and comment like stupid peoples!!! just be brave say to yourself that you are Iranian or a Hindu what ever you like, don’t cover up, don’t pretend to be Kurdish, I have more respect to some Turks or Iranian who openly saying that we kill and destroy kurds, than cheap, minded person like you!!! at least those peoples brave enough to say we your enemy!! We don’t like you!!!

[bezgin]

To some fools in forums, who try desperately argue any case to convince themselves, that slaughtering and killing Kurds and keeping them in cadge by keep current boders intact is legitimate one!! Well I like bring to your attention in the past only one thing was enough to draw borders and that was massive force(bloodshed) , today however more civilize way boder can be redrawn and correct the past mistake is will of peoples. Therefore Kurdish nation in this circumstance will welcome any referendum in Kurdistan. Is very simple and logic, or shall be force!! Well it ha been force against Kurds for last 100 years ? have solve anything?? No? do you think future force will? Not at all it break this boders in parts soon or later!!! As we speaking Kurdistan peşmerges(gerilla) in the frontier at war (Tureky, Iran)
@ dawn
Dude!! To be Kurdish is much higher than ever your mind think, don’t mix yourself with Kurdish ness, to be a part of a nation u need to be fully fulfilled, race, culturally linguistically, anything you can mentioned, Kurds or proud nation, Kurdish language and heritage much higher than so called Iran, you know well as everyone , your iran soon or later will ter a part and all sufferiung nations such as Kurds, Azeri turks, turkman Baluch will be free, and your little Persia will be in middle no where!! So sit down and enjoy the last moment of your barbaric country!!!, so don’t confuse yourself, go learn about kurds before coming to forum and comment like stupid peoples!!! just be brave say to yourself that you are Iranian or a Hindu what ever you like, don’t cover up, don’t pretend to be Kurdish, I have more respect to some Turks or Iranian who openly saying that we kill and destroy kurds, than cheap, minded person like you!!! at least those peoples brave enough to say we your enemy!! We don’t like you!!!


Thank you for showing your true face, terrorist diyako.

You clearly prove our views.

[dawn]

To people like Saeed and Diyako. First off, no wonder people like you are so frustrated. Ignorance often brings frustration. Instead of attacking people by swearing at them, why can't you be discussing issues rationally? Again, that is a sign of ignorance: people either swear, pick up guns/swords, or blow people up. To Diyako: You have no right to tell me whether I am a Kurd or not. My mother is a Kurd and her entire family. That makes me partially a Kurd. Do I think that the Kurds are entitled to have soverignty from oppressing regimes of Iraq and Turkey? YES! Do I think the Kurds are entitled to independence from Iran? NO! The reason is clear. If Iran had not fallen into the hands of the evil mullahs who have massacred hundreds and thousands of Kurds and Baluchis, both of these people were living in peace in Iran. If you wish to berate the Persian civilization, that's your perrogative. However, that will indicate to me how little you know about your own people. To Saeed, I'd like to say, you are right the "stupid men are dangerous" that's why you, along with 90% of the Moslem population are so very dangerous. If you had an ounce of brain, you would not be blaming the entire world for your misery, but instead would rationally discuss issues.

[bezgin]

Do I think that the Kurds are entitled to have soverignty from oppressing regimes of Iraq and Turkey? YES!


Hey dawn, you know nothing about Turkey so advise you to practice what you preach others! Talk is cheap you know.

[bezgin]

Today's world is strange. People like dawn for example. Once you see them talking very wise and intellectual but the next second they make the same failures like the ones they criticize. Funny people..

[kurdish-Tiger]

And the whole world know that the Kurdish cause is a just cause, and that the Kurdish people of the people wronged deserve life freely.

http://mesoud.se/kurdish-comandos.jpg

[diyako]

Dude!! I never swear in first place, I you who is firstly frustrated and ignorance and start swearing and insulting Kurdish nation, first well if you not frustrated what is your business here!! Is like some Turks sound desperation and hopelessness, because of your colonial occupation of other nations soon will be end it , and crying in American journal ? If you so proud your so called Iran what ever you called it? You shouldn’t be here .go Iran website sells yourself?
You know well you Iran days counting down!! And regime or this nad that is no longer issue .Even got cant save your dreamland!! In 21ts century that will of peoples take place, and days of dictatorship, and oppression will coming to end, adopt yourself to new world!!! Now about Kurdistan, Turks Arab saying same cheap foolish things as you saying, they say is ok have your Kurdistan in Iran, or in Iraq, or in turkey?? First well that days is over when been using Kurds against each others for their regional power befit, soundly Kurdistan, is one country and one nation, and let me assure you, Kurds nether irani neither have any connection with your Hindu culture, so don’t mix , what ever your historian written about Iran, will be re written again in next 100 years, I don’t go history lecture you about all details. So stop your ignorance and your haters toward Kurds.

You said you half Kurdish. It doesn’t sound like, even half your brain doesn’t function, is sad is tragedy, the policy of assimilation and the systems of denial and ignorance have eaten you, open your eyes see reality get know more about Kurds, don’t stay in your Iran cadge and see, heroic song!!
Let me assure all reader, any words we type about Kurds, is count for our cause, we love freedom and peaces is in our genes, today we have great honor and dignity and proud for defending our nation in legitimate way against, oppressors, occupiers and colonials., we against any systems who denials other nations right, and deprive them, surely we will hunt them down, so is not desperation, is victory my friend, we work politically ,military. Diplomatically, we welcome you choose the menu!!!

God Blass Kurdistan, America and Israel

[diyako]

To people like Saeed and Diyako. First off, no wonder people like you are so frustrated. Ignorance often brings frustration. Instead of attacking people by swearing at them, why can't you be discussing issues rationally? Again, that is a sign of ignorance: people either swear, pick up guns/swords, or blow people up. To Diyako: You have no right to tell me whether I am a Kurd or not. My mother is a Kurd and her entire family. That makes me partially a Kurd. Do I think that the Kurds are entitled to have soverignty from oppressing regimes of Iraq and Turkey? YES! Do I think the Kurds are entitled to independence from Iran? NO! The reason is clear. If Iran had not fallen into the hands of the evil mullahs who have massacred hundreds and thousands of Kurds and Baluchis, both of these people were living in peace in Iran. If you wish to berate the Persian civilization, that's your perrogative. However, that will indicate to me how little you know about your own people. To Saeed, I'd like to say, you are right the "stupid men are dangerous" that's why you, along with 90% of the Moslem population are so very dangerous. If you had an ounce of brain, you would not be blaming the entire world for your misery, but instead would rationally discuss issues.
@dawn
Dude!! I never swear in first place, I you who is firstly frustrated and ignorance and start swearing and insulting Kurdish nation, first well if you not frustrated what is your business here!! Is like some Turks sound desperation and hopelessness, because of your colonial occupation of other nations soon will be end it , and crying in American journal ? If you so proud your so called Iran what ever you called it? You shouldn’t be here .go Iran website sells yourself?
You know well you Iran days counting down!! And regime or this nad that is no longer issue .Even got cant save your dreamland!! In 21ts century that will of peoples take place, and days of dictatorship, and oppression will coming to end, adopt yourself to new world!!! Now about Kurdistan, Turks Arab saying same cheap foolish things as you saying, they say is ok have your Kurdistan in Iran, or in Iraq, or in turkey?? First well that days is over when been using Kurds against each others for their regional power befit, soundly Kurdistan, is one country and one nation, and let me assure you, Kurds nether irani neither have any connection with your Hindu culture, so don’t mix , what ever your historian written about Iran, will be re written again in next 100 years, I don’t go history lecture you about all details. So stop your ignorance and your haters toward Kurds.

You said you half Kurdish. It doesn’t sound like, even half your brain doesn’t function, is sad is tragedy, the policy of assimilation and the systems of denial and ignorance have eaten you, open your eyes see reality get know more about Kurds, don’t stay in your Iran cadge and see, heroic song!!
Let me assure all reader, any words we type about Kurds, is count for our cause, we love freedom and peaces is in our genes, today we have great honor and dignity and proud for defending our nation in legitimate way against, oppressors, occupiers and colonials., we against any systems who denials other nations right, and deprive them, surely we will hunt them down, so is not desperation, is victory my friend, we work politically ,military. Diplomatically, we welcome you choose the menu!!!

God Blass Kurdistan, America and Israel

[diyako]

Thank you for showing your true face, terrorist diyako.

You clearly prove our views.

@bezgin
You not the first one who saying that!! But thank you for calling me terrorist, as I have said in the past ,it is part your systems and governmental producer, where today in Turkey anyone peacefully fight for Kurdish right, it will be count it as terrorist, either get killed or disappeared, or tutored and jailed for life time!!! How worse things can be my friend, in American journal you Turks considering Kurds as terrorist for putting their view!! One would wonders what happening right now in Northern Kurdistan (so called eastern Turkey)

[bezgin]

@bezgin
You not the first one who saying that!! But thank you for calling me terrorist, as I have said in the past ,it is part your systems and governmental producer, where today in Turkey anyone peacefully fight for Kurdish right, it will be count it as terrorist, either get killed or disappeared, or tutored and jailed for life time!!! How worse things can be my friend, in American journal you Turks considering Kurds as terrorist for putting their view!! One would wonders what happening right now in Northern Kurdistan (so called eastern Turkey)


I am not the first and not the only Turkish citizen saying that. Even the Turkish-Kurds are condemning your terrorist actions.

As for govermental mistakes i have no excuse myself. Because Turkish governments have been and are a great oppression on Turkish citizens sometimes. But there are only a few revolting against the system. Because as you have realised over the years the Turks and the Kurds are brothers in Turkey. You know there is nothing you can do about it and i am sure this is what's killing you.

I only pity you my ruined brother, terrorist diyako.

[rahatsiz_insan]

http://www.pkkterror.com

[Kurdistan_Serok]

I can undrestand how you feel turks but there is no choice for you. half of your country is Kurd and a Part of Kurdistan you cannot stop it. it will happen one day before, now better happen now before I start to make it. think about it, I don't know how you will think and with what you will think but better to think. 40~45 million KURDS, it is a fact you MUST accept it now what ever you want to say because whatever USA say EU will accept and
of course Israel also will support. see all of your supporter that your turkey is turkey because of them now they are with Other nations they want to have more friends now ...... turks.Oh I should say one thind else also we will make The Holy Kurdistan the tumb of any turkish soldier that will think that it is a highway for turks. now what ever you want to say no one gives damn shiit.even I don't care what a turks will say cuz nobosy account on them:cool: . be cool and calm down cuz it is the end of the story of one nation one flag .

[bezgin]

I can undrestand how you feel turks but there is no choice for you. half of your country is Kurd and a Part of Kurdistan you cannot stop it. it will happen one day before, now better happen now before I start to make it. think about it, I don't know how you will think and with what you will think but better to think. 40~45 million KURDS, it is a fact you MUST accept it now what ever you want to say because whatever USA say EU will accept and
of course Israel also will support. see all of your supporter that your turkey is turkey because of them now they are with Other nations they want to have more friends now ...... turks.Oh I should say one thind else also we will make The Holy Kurdistan the tumb of any turkish soldier that will think that it is a highway for turks. now what ever you want to say no one gives damn shiit.even I don't care what a turks will say cuz nobosy account on them:cool: . be cool and calm down cuz it is the end of the story of one nation one flag .

I can understand how you feel Serok but there is a fact, you are only dreaming.
Bring all the support you can get from the ones you beg and serve we will defeat you.
Keep on kissing American and Israeli ass and maybe they can nuke Turkey to solve your problem :D
You are only dreaming.

http://www.pkkterror.com

The Kurdistan Workers Party (Kurdish: Partiya Karkerên Kurdistan or PKK), also known as KADEK and Kongra-Gel, is a militant group, aiming to create an independent Kurdish state in a territory (sometimes referred to as Kurdistan) that consists of parts of south-eastern Turkey, north-eastern Iraq, north-eastern Syria and north-western Iran. Its ideological foundation is revolutionary Marxism-Leninism and Kurdish nationalism. It is an ethnic secessionist organisation using force and threat of force against both civilian and military targets for the purpose of achieving its political goal. The PKK is listed as a terrorist organisation internationally by a number of states and organisations, including the USA and the EU.[1] (The Party for a Free Life in Kurdistan (PEJAK) based in northern Iraq and operating in Iran is associated with the PKK.)

From Wikipedia

[bezgin]

And we will fight against Kurdish racists anywhere, anyway, anytime.

[diyako]

@bezgin
Dude!! You don’t make sense at all, you shouldn’t be pity for me, should be pity for yourself, where you blind you cant see reality in the ground!! Your emyional turkishim will eat you up!! when time some like saddam Hussein we put your general one by one in cadge, you know that well,
I am from Amed(diyarbakir), you call Kurd, Turkish-Kurds?? Are they sheep or animal, in you perspective!!! Grow up man your denial, oppressors system will break in pieces, if you so much saying Kurd loving your turkey, then let have referendum then, see how much they love it!!! Fake arbitrate country made by British and France!! The fact is if you call us terrorist, it means 25 millions Kurd in Turkey all terrorist because all love Kurdistan and Kurdish nation and they ready tie for mother land.
Let me tell you this Turky have no choice and no way out but to accept Kurds and let them to choice their destiny, world is changing, if turkey don’t stop her Mongolian altitude towards Kurds, this time world will change turkey, so is good for sake poor Turkish citizen to reconcile with Kurds and accept the past mistake and genocide and mistreatment of Kurds.
I am not like you , it is USA and Israel holding your country tighter and keeping in tact. you the one should be kissing their ass, not me, you should have some dignity if wasn’t USA, stopping Kurds, believe me only moral support from USA will turns Turkey in apart you know and your generals who reading this they know well what I am saying, at lest we Kurds have some respect and proud for country like USA who believe of principle of freedom and democracy as well as Israel, God blass them,
And God blass Kurdistan.

[bezgin]

@bezgin
Dude!! You don’t make sense at all, you shouldn’t be pity for me, should be pity for yourself, where you blind you cant see reality in the ground!! Your emyional turkishim will eat you up!! when time some like saddam Hussein we put your general one by one in cadge, you know that well,
I am from Amed(diyarbakir), you call Kurd, Turkish-Kurds?? Are they sheep or animal, in you perspective!!! Grow up man your denial, oppressors system will break in pieces, if you so much saying Kurd loving your turkey, then let have referendum then, see how much they love it!!! Fake arbitrate country made by British and France!! The fact is if you call us terrorist, it means 25 millions Kurd in Turkey all terrorist because all love Kurdistan and Kurdish nation and they ready tie for mother land.
Let me tell you this Turky have no choice and no way out but to accept Kurds and let them to choice their destiny, world is changing, if turkey don’t stop her Mongolian altitude towards Kurds, this time world will change turkey, so is good for sake poor Turkish citizen to reconcile with Kurds and accept the past mistake and genocide and mistreatment of Kurds.
I am not like you , it is USA and Israel holding your country tighter and keeping in tact. you the one should be kissing their ass, not me, you should have some dignity if wasn’t USA, stopping Kurds, believe me only moral support from USA will turns Turkey in apart you know and your generals who reading this they know well what I am saying, at lest we Kurds have some respect and proud for country like USA who believe of principle of freedom and democracy as well as Israel, God blass them,
And God blass Kurdistan.



I don't understand you. Your English is a mess. Try to improve yourself in your leisure when you stop killing Turkish citizens and call it a day or try to write in Kurdish if you can, or whatever language you are best in writing, ok?

[Kurdistan_Serok]

The world of politic is very funny bezgin but unfortunately almost all turkish they don't know how to play in this game bacause of this they should lose and they will lose but for proving this I will tell you just wait the time will prove everything. with this shouting or screaming that you turks will do nothing will happen. remember I told you thing and all turkish!!!!!!!! everybody knows that PKK is not a terrorist group but they will do politic because of their benefits and of course neither I nor Kurdish people don't care what they will thing about it but we thing about now and future and we are going step by step nearer to Kurdistan Whether you turkish like it or not it is a fact like 1+1=2 simple.

and I should say Diyako's english is okay and if you cannot read and understand what he will say, that is your english problem.

about that website I should say that Kurd never kill Kurds and let me tell you turk that everybody knows that who will do this things better to don't make yourself fool.


http://www.kurdishinfo.com/index.php

by the way as I told you what ever you turks want shout, scream say everythign you want BUT the fact is FACT => Kurdistan.

[bezgin]

The world of politic is very funny bezgin but unfortunately almost all turkish they don't know how to play in this game bacause of this they should lose and they will lose but for proving this I will tell you just wait the time will prove everything. with this shouting or screaming that you turks will do nothing will happen. remember I told you thing and all turkish!!!!!!!! everybody knows that PKK is not a terrorist group but they will do politic because of their benefits and of course neither I nor Kurdish people don't care what they will thing about it but we thing about now and future and we are going step by step nearer to Kurdistan Whether you turkish like it or not it is a fact like 1+1=2 simple.

and I should say Diyako's english is okay and if you cannot read and understand what he will say, that is your english problem.

about that website I should say that Kurd never kill Kurds and let me tell you turk that everybody knows that who will do this things better to don't make yourself fool.


http://www.kurdishinfo.com/index.php

by the way as I told you what ever you turks want shout, scream say everythign you want BUT the fact is FACT => Kurdistan.


And it is funny how you give away yourselves, yes international politics is a game but the history is written by the strong and righteous. We gave confidence to our friends and fear to our enemies for the last 4000 years. We will keep on doing so and our people, Kurdish or Turkish very well know that.

I am not screaming or shouting out loud, frankly i am very relaxed, i only say if you claim one inch of my country, try to get it.

Cause i know you don't, you can't and you won't. As i said before we are morally strong and righteous and you are a bunch of robbers.

[Kurdistan_Serok]

not only you the whole of turkish armey cannot stop this process. so okay we will see. but about history that you said 4000 about turkish let me tell you that the whole history of turkish in this region is not more than 700 years back the first great empire of this region was Media ( Kurdish empire ) and after that Persia, I didn't see anything about turkish history in the whole history of world that is about 4000 years not even 2000 years so once again you cannot change the history cuz the fact is fact.Kurds are alive if you cannot see it, it means that not only you the whole turks are blind and of course nobody cares what you people will say, even Kurdish people.and let me tell you that you cannot mislead Kurdish people with this stupid words our people Kurdish !!!!!:cool: and also from your notes I can feel how much you are relax.
and of course the whole world know that turkish are the guilty of the whole history from coming to this region and in the world war not Kurdish. and like Ermenia you remember what you did with them shame of you. once again say no no no till tomorrow. ha ha ha ha ha. Ling Live Kurdish Fighter.



And it is funny how you give away yourselves, yes international politics is a game but the history is written by the strong and righteous. We gave confidence to our friends and fear to our enemies for the last 4000 years. We will keep on doing so and our people, Kurdish or Turkish very well know that.

I am not screaming or shouting out loud, frankly i am very relaxed, i only say if you claim one inch of my country, try to get it.

Cause i know you don't, you can't and you won't. As i said before we are morally strong and righteous and you are a bunch of robbers.

[bezgin]

Don't worry my friend, you'll be honoured to fight against a very noble army. I promise if i find your body i will do my best to hand it to your family.

[bezgin]

Kurdish people are our people. They are well aware of the harm you terrorists are causing them.

[Kurdistan_Serok]

do your best dude otherwise I know what I should do like those stupid turkish soldier that everyday will be send to the hell by Kurdish Freedom Fighters.
by the way with this stupid thing which you turkish will say nothing will change.Long Live Kurdistan , Long Live USA , Long Live Israel.

that's all


Don't worry my friend, you'll be honoured to fight against a very noble army. I promise if i find your body i will do my best to hand it to your family.

[Khawaja Ikram Ul Haq]

:D while borders are not sacred...there are many problems in other parts of teh world as well...why not create a bengali state by joining bangladesh and west bengal...why not amalgamate muslim kashmir with pakistan...divide indi a according to a better rationale...why not amalgamate israel with jordan since it is unnatural to the area..why not amalgamate northwestern indian states with nepal...i think that redividing states while it might look normal to anti islamic intersts would create much bigger problems...if such a principle is applied worldwide than muslim countries would happily accept such attitudes and principles...the muslim countries would be much happier... however idont understand the need to create a holy see of islam...muslims have no problem with the handling by saudi arabia of teh holy cities...also one feels that pakistan has been squeezed a bit too much...there are many areas around it that would be happy tobe a part of it...one can sympathize with the formation of kurdistan, a sunni iraq and a shiite iraq since the are unable to get along...the division of afghanistan could also be thought of since they are totally disparate regions...taking areas away from iran would a big job although they might be happy to get shiite afghanistan...the baloch obviously would be all smiles however getting areas from three existing countries to form entirely new states would be a hazardous venture...i would like similar article on dividing britain into scotland and wales and england and the division of the USA,,,.belgium...switzerland...maybe the logic is not entirely logical one thinks...as a universal principle...:D :) :p

[Khawaja Ikram Ul Haq]

:p :D This is further to my earler response to the Blood Borders article in the US armed forces journal in which they attempt to redivide the muslim world according to problem ethnicities and sectarian orientations...there are so many ethnicities in the area that the entire solution would not create a calm happy environment.... unless there is mass migration of populations......there are sindhis in pakistan...so many pukhtuns in balochistan...division of baloch into shiites and sunnis...than there are other problem areas in teh world...kashmiris in india...bengalis...punjabis...the independent homelands of saudi arabia...that seems to create another festering problem...unless there is a principle applicable worldwide to big and small ethnicities and muslims sects only than would it be acceptable...maybe muslims would want to carve out empires in teh USA and britain and other parts of europe AND INDIA...u know we are such a problem in the USA, britain and europE AND INDIA AND RUSSIA too...maybe those areas need tobe divided to according to this principle...too ..apart from retaking the muslims areas around chechynya...:confused:

[bezgin]

do your best dude otherwise I know what I should do like those stupid turkish soldier that everyday will be send to the hell by Kurdish Freedom Fighters.
by the way with this stupid thing which you turkish will say nothing will change.Long Live Kurdistan , Long Live USA , Long Live Israel.

that's all


Keep on sucking American and Israeli ass and hope that they will save PKK terrorists from my hands.

[diyako]

@bezgin

I don't understand you. Your English is a mess. Try to improve yourself in your leisure when you stop killing Turkish citizens and call it a day or try to write in Kurdish if you can, or whatever language you are best in writing, ok?


Oh cool, at last!! Finally you can’t understand, surely my comments is too heavy loaded for small Turkish brain to be able to work it out!!! However I am here to give you some good advice, I suggest either you go educate yourself, have couple English lesson follow by some humanity subjects, then come here talk to us, or just shut your door and have long journey to Magnolia, see your proud culture!!!

[bezgin]

@bezgin




Oh cool, at last!! Finally you can’t understand, surely my comments is too heavy loaded for small Turkish brain to be able to work it out!!! However I am here to give you some good advice, I suggest either you go educate yourself, have couple English lesson follow by some humanity subjects, then come here talk to us, or just shut your door and have long journey to Magnolia, see your proud culture!!!

You are suffering from a disease, a very deadly one, it is Racism. We will cure you too soon.

[bezgin]

We will treat you with mercy and justice as we did in the history. Because we are a great nation.

[Kurdistan_Serok]

I should say that you are the most dirty nation in the world you said by mercy!?!

Turkish Mercy and Justice => http://www.greece.org/genocide/books/miracle/page176-178.html
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/1881/kurdistan96.html
Check them don't Embarrass

one thing, you better Discuss with america not us you can see that you are nothing against me so better to discuss with them us they want to change the middle east ( better to say they want to help us to kick our enemies out from Kurdistan ).

and for that thing which you said to Diyako I should tell you,that you better to cure yourself first.

If still you and anybody else have something else DO NOT hesitate I will reply.

We will treat you with mercy and justice as we did in the history. Because we are a great nation.

[bezgin]

Terrorists. I have nothing to discuss with them. Either give in to the Turkish Armed Forces or die.

[bezgin]

My uncle is an official of Turkish Armed Forces and he is married with a Kurdish. As you can see people can make the difference between the normal people and terrorists. Serok is one of the terrorists for instance.
And we have the right to terminate those lil bastards.

[Kurdistan_Serok]

:confused: Who knows that I think that I am talking with a small child,isn't it?
one more thing that you turks always tell terrorist that will say the truth and with provement.
and I think it is better to keep trying to terminate it is about 30 years but what you did ? huh you small momy babies...;)

My uncle is an official of Turkish Armed Forces and he is married with a Kurdish. As you can see people can make the difference between the normal people and terrorists. Serok is one of the terrorists for instance.
And we have the right to terminate those lil bastards.

[Kurdistan_Serok]

Turkish Mercy and Justice
http://www.greece.org/genocide/books...ge176-178.html
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill...rdistan96.html
Check them don't Embarrass

[bezgin]

USA supported Kurdish Terrorism


http://www.pkkgercegi.net/eski_gundem.asp

[rahmat]

International borders are never completely just. But the degree of injustice they inflict upon those whom frontiers force together or separate makes an enormous difference &mdash; often the difference between freedom and oppression, tolerance and atrocity, the rule of law and terrorism, or even peace and war.

http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2006/06/1833899


I am not able to see the map, can some one help find the proposed map of middle east and afghansitan

[PakiLuV]

I guess I cant blame the author for having such delusional views of the topic. Clearly he is not in touch with reality. First of all he has this crazy notion that US has the ability to control the world. US is barely able to control its own borders! Second, where does he suppose US government will get the money to support such a operation? It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out the current US economic condition and the shift of wealth to the west ( currently China alone holds $1 Trillion in US debt and Asian central banks indirectly finance over 35 percent of mortgages in this county). Thirdly, does he really think that US has a god given right to colonize the middle east? We are barely able to handle Iraq which was “conquered” three years ago. Keep in mind that Iraq had no military hardware or personally to speak of. I suppose all these countries are dying to line up to get reallocated borders. Mr. Peters needs to do a sanity check…maybe get a CT scan to see what up there ( or lack of ). He needs to get to his senses before his last brain cell dies!
Lord, what fools these mortals be!
William Shakespeare (1564 - 1616), "A Midsummer Night's Dream", Act 3 scene 2
:)

[diyako]

@bezgin

What stupid mentality!!! See how Turks are desperate!! For joining forum expressing ourselves you call us terrorist!! Since you don’t have anything to argue I just suggest join your own criminal army forum and proud your barbarian altitude toward killing incense Kurdish women and children!! You seem so proud your barbaric action, Dude!! thjis is American forum place where thing can be discussed professionally!! Calling propels in forums terrorist is sound like madness, do you have Mad Cow disease or just even mentality of well educated Turks like that? So much haters, so much denial, this disease will eat you all surely, and let assure you that Kurdistan will be independent and is just matter of Time and it will tier Turkey in apart. So the more you scream calling the Kurds terrorist, the quicker it will be!!!

[sardar]

with my smoking english :D
u mogols must know why i could say that u people are really fashisim because u people call somebody tirorisst who just fight for freedom who just fight for mom language who just fight for theire own home theire own land their own earth !!! but we dont care what ever u people saying because we do believe that we are the true one and we are going to win!yes we do belive that world have been changed ! MS kemal time is already passed soooooon u will see FREE INDEPENDENT KURDISTAN by ur dirty eyes. how ? we are protecting USA & EU stratigik in middle east and theire protecting our nation stratigik and our nation stratigik is FREE INDEPENDENT KURDISTAN FREE INDEPENDENT LIONSLAND

[bezgin]

I call you terrorists because you support terrorism.
You kill civilians, you kill people.
You are clearly terrorists.

[sherlocks23]

Lets see who in the world has muscle to dismember Pakistan. The enemies of Pakistan lives in a fools paradise. Indians are dreaming about it for good 60 years.
Only time is going to tell who is going to win this war.
By the way one question which was never answered was " who in the world is going to accomplish this restructuring of a dozen countries?". United States after its failure in Iraq doesnt seems like a good candidate. :p

Kudos to the author for tackling the bull by the horn.

Some more comments about Pakistan. Since her formation, Pakistan has been dominated by the Punjabis who pretty much run the country. There are several Pakistanis who have written about this. Any restructuring of Pakistan has to take care of the following:

1. Independent Sindh (Sindhudesh): Sindhis have little in common and want an independent nation. The Jiye Sindh (Jiye = Let Live) movement was one of the more visible movements. Here is an excellent article by a Pakistani born academic, Prof. Gul Agha who is a well-respected professors at one of the top graduate programs in Computer Science in the US (birthplace of Netscape).

Should Pakistan be broken up (http://pakistan70.tripod.com/gul.html)

2. There are parts of the ertswhile kingdom of Jammu&Kashmir which are not part of Kashmir but are called Centrally Administered Northern Areas, North of Pakistani Occupied Kashmir; Gilgit and Baltistan are two major regions. The people here are Shia and have been rebelling against the Sunni dominated Punjabis for half a century. While suppressing a Shia rebellion in these Northern Areas in 1988 the then SSG Officer Musharraf first worked with Osama bin Laden.

Gen. Parvez Musharraf: His past and present (http://www.stratmag.com/issue2July-1/page06.htm)


These areas do not have much in common with the Afghan and should be independent.
Balawaristan National Front (http://www.balawaristan.net/english.htm)

So the map of Pakistan should have:
Balochistan, Sindudesh, Independent Northern Areas (Balwaristan) & Panjab. NWFP will become a part of Afghanistan, making the Durand line redundant.

[sherlocks23]

A better idea for Muslim countries is to form a Union of states. A union that controls the currency, defence and foreign policy only. The enemies may day dream about breaking muslims into more smaller nations but in the future a Unified Muslim front is more plausible then more smaller muslim nations. It is this fear of Islamic unity that third rate writers like Peter are arguing about dividing muslim countries.
The question which is never answered in the article is that who in the world is going to accomplish this hefty task. It makes me laugh even thinking that Americans after their total failure in Iraq are going to wage war with dozens of countries just to Redraw more borders. huh
And unlike Mr Peters i would like to tell that what is going to be the driving force behind this Union of Islamic countries.
The answer is simple " The common threat to all muslim countries, from a common enemy of all muslim countries "Israel".
International borders are never completely just. But the degree of injustice they inflict upon those whom frontiers force together or separate makes an enormous difference &mdash; often the difference between freedom and oppression, tolerance and atrocity, the rule of law and terrorism, or even peace and war.

http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2006/06/1833899

[sardar]

with my smoking english
if there was not a racist regiem in turkey pkk will never happen ,its because ur racist thats why freedom fighters are boren !!! we are fighting for freedom because u cant accept my home my mom language my erath my own home !
and no matter what ever u call me !!! world knows that we are the true one ! and for ur info go to this link and see who is racist and tirorisim and fashisim !!!


>>> turkish fashisim army atc (http://www.thenausea.com/turkey.html)

[sardar]

with my smoking english
stop talking about muslim union dont be dudu.and dont be stiupid .! where muslim regiem is then fashisim life is there !! we as kurdistan dont want to go back and if u like to do such union muslim in middle east enjoy but ofcourse with out our kurdistan !!!
idiot say yes for a modern life
this net that ur using to make propagand for a muslim union mad somebody who is not muslim! a muslim people cant mad a small light for cigeret :D what ever we use to live came from a land where is not muslim !!! so dont be an idiot cuting head is muslim hobbis ! and we are not agree with such idea

[sardar]

ayyyyyyy my smoking english i love u like my mom language but sometimes am really angry :mad: with u caz i dont know u as well ...ayyyyyy english language ur paining me hard .because i cant understan all comments and cant say what i exactly mean !!! so i want to know what ur !but shiii .....t of mony i cant do nothing :D
english kolij language in köln costet about 300 euro for a month

[talking sense]

This is the most absurd article I have ever read in my life and people supporting the article come across confused at their best and dumb wits at their worse.

There is a huge difference between fighting for the freedom and tearing apart nations. All nations have a right to freedom and one would hope that they would achieve them as soon as possible. However, by redrawing boundaries based on International whims and for the sake of convenience will not make governing those states any easier. We have seen what unnaturally enforced boundaries do - Israel was a state which was erected because of the western world's shame and regret of the autocracies committed by them in World War II. The high and mighty in their judgement decided that it would be best to award Jews a land in Middle East to give them a home and we have one of the bloodiest war in modern history, people keep dying and more blood is spilled every year.

For all the supporters of Israel based on the fact that the modern state of Israel was the original home of Jews - here is a thought - North America was the original land of the Native Americans so maybe all whites, blacks, Asians and other people of the world who inhibit North America should leave and give the North America back to Native Americans.

The sad part is that the International community in its foolish wisdom has created a state, which is not recognised by a large population of the world. The countries like Iran which acted as protectors for German Jews during the Nazi Germany and gave them protection and in her their embassy in Germany and granted them access to their countries have turned into their biggest enemies.

The suggestion in the article is not a solution but a recipe for disaster. If we want the world to be fighting war for next century than please go ahead and draw these boundaries.

[siraj_ahsan]

This article has caught the eye of Pakistani newspaper. Considering it to be completely illogical will not be right and taking it in literal sense would also be incorrect.

I think this article has effectively put people to think and consider what is recommended as a possibility and whatever today is happening in Baluchistan for sure makes one wonder.

If we agree to the writer on Saudi Arabia and Pakistan being unnatural state then I guess Afghanistan is no natural either. It has more ethnic strings than we know so guess a revision showing break-up of Afghanistan on ethnic lines will also be a good idea.

How come UAE form part of Shia Arab? This I dont understand as majority is not Shia.

Does the US policy of a free ME include AGCC countries? It may not work in their favour. Would they for the sake of democracy accept it?

[Kurdistan_Serok]

Hi Sirah bay
keysahe :D Tikhe? Look at the map bro then look at the color UAE is not a part of shia state.
Regards, Your Friend

This article has caught the eye of Pakistani newspaper. Considering it to be completely illogical will not be right and taking it in literal sense would also be incorrect.

I think this article has effectively put people to think and consider what is recommended as a possibility and whatever today is happening in Baluchistan for sure makes one wonder.

If we agree to the writer on Saudi Arabia and Pakistan being unnatural state then I guess Afghanistan is no natural either. It has more ethnic strings than we know so guess a revision showing break-up of Afghanistan on ethnic lines will also be a good idea.

How come UAE form part of Shia Arab? This I dont understand as majority is not Shia.

Does the US policy of a free ME include AGCC countries? It may not work in their favour. Would they for the sake of democracy accept it?

[Kurdistan_Serok]

Roj bash kak Serdar
choni?
Kak Serdar birakem ture mebe;) ewane ba qisey xoyan ba biken che guyan dedate?:D her biji u serkewtu bi

Biji Kurd u Kurdistan

with my smoking english
stop talking about muslim union dont be dudu.and dont be stiupid .! where muslim regiem is then fashisim life is there !! we as kurdistan dont want to go back and if u like to do such union muslim in middle east enjoy but ofcourse with out our kurdistan !!!
idiot say yes for a modern life
this net that ur using to make propagand for a muslim union mad somebody who is not muslim! a muslim people cant mad a small light for cigeret :D what ever we use to live came from a land where is not muslim !!! so dont be an idiot cuting head is muslim hobbis ! and we are not agree with such idea

[rizwanc]

Should the unnatural states of California and Texas also be redrawn? Or what of the black south? Surely no one is as victimized as poor blacks in the south?

[drljr]

If we are going to redraw the borders why stop at the 1800 and 1900's? Palestine was the name given to the area in 79AD by Rome after the Jews failed to expell the Romans. So instead of punishing the Jews lets give them back all of their land. This would include the land the Moslem's took from the Jews in the 700 and 800's that forced the Jews to flee from another attempt at genocide, of which the last genocide attempt started in the 1930 and 1940's and continues to this day. This is the one ethnic group that everyone ignores and this is the one ethnic group that has maintained both a cultural and religious identity for more than 3000 years. From one source the Jewish year 5758 began on October 2, 1997. So if we are going to give homelands and States back to the Kurds and other ethnic groups it is only right we return all of the land that belonged to the Jews back to the Jews as well so they can have their homeland back as well. The Philistines and other Cannites who occupied the land before the Jews no longer exist - history seems to indicate they inter-married with the Jews. The Mosque on the temple mount could be relocated to another Moslem country so the Jews could rebuild their temple without destroying the Mosque. Lebanon should be given back its land which would probably gut western Syria. Jordan would most likely cease to exist or be just a very small country. The Arabs refered to as Palistinians would have to be required to return to their historic land which is most likely in the area of the Sinai and Sudia Arabia.

Think everyone will agree? I doubt it - not with the racism I see from the Islamic world on the news every days about Israel and Jews. Add the fighting between Hindu's, Moslems, Sikhs and other ethnic and religious groups around the world and I doubt it even more.

Redrawing borders won't solve the problem. Until people chose to get along with their neighbors regardless of their color, race and religion the wars and fighting will continue. Changing the borders will not solve the problem. All we have to do is look at the history of the USA. As groups migrated here, legal and illegally, they refused to get along with each other and with the Native American peoples already living here. It has only been in the last 30 years that our population has started accepting each other as equals and we still have problems. And we are still trying to determine what to do, expel or possibly accept them, with the estimated 12 million illegal aliens in the country.

[hisroyalmajesty]

The article has no doubt drawn a large online community towards itself, but the fact of the matter remains that somewhere at the backstage, someone is drawing up these maps and some people are pursuing it with their life to make this change a reality. I have read comments of almost all the people prior to my post, where as some are true, the fact remains that the people are still ignorant, people have still chosen to be powerless. Most of us do not need democracy, most of us do not want democracy. In a democracy, it is so easy to buy people. I can tell you from my experience. Its just a game of money and power, it is so easy to have situation manipulated in your favour, even by those whom the public think of them as their leader, on whom the public is ready to die for. They can be bought and sold just as a pair of shoes in any shop. You just need to know the right price. I have seen these leaders, both religious and political shout out loud that they will not move an inch from their demands and yet somewhere at the back, they are sitting and having meals with the same people they agitated against. I have seen how organizations and movements are created, played-with and then destoryed. I have seen how these organization and movements deviate from their very principles, how the innocent civilians are used as puppets for their malign intentions. How in the end, the common man suffers and continues to suffer. How they label a traitor as a hero and a hero as a traitor. My idea is not to promote any other form of government or to create a new form of my own, but just to tell that while you and I are busy posting messages here, someone is actually carrying out these fantasies and its us who pay for it, with our blood, with our money and most importantly, with our soil.

As I read numerous e-newspapers online from around the world, I see that the map is taking a form of reality. Already there is fierce fighting going on in Afghanistan and Iraq, and I have learnt of the Assasination of a Leader in Baluchistan province of Pakistan. The Slain leader, Nawab Akbar Bugti, died in the line of duty, protecting his people and it is with his very death, the Free Baluchistan movement, as indicated in the map will gain momentum. For Pakistanis it is an internal issue, of a rebel leader being killed by government forces or a feeble hero who embraced death at the hands of a ferocious dictator, while fighting for his people at the age of 80 years, but for the global citizen, its a chain reaction. A event that has triggered the new borders to be drawn with peoples blood.

I fully respect the views of the Turks, the Kurds, the Iranians, the Baluchs, and all others expressed herein, but at the same time, I would like to highlight that you should not be played with in the name of ethnicity. You should not become a tool to kill your own brother. Those who call you to kill others are the ones who are hypocrites and are the ones who will have you and your family killed.

Its time to wake up, time for a global movement to stop neo-cons and their likes, who are being nurtured at the moment for future to destroy the global peace.

[jnajmi]

So now we the great US empire is carving up the map of the Middle East, and the Indian SubContinent!!! I cannot believe what I read in this article. As a fairly new US citizen it makes me angry and embarrassed. Forget about how right or wrong is the proposed solution, but how dare we can even suggest this. I think we should take a look at out own history how we grabbed land from Mexico, an before that from the Native Americans. How fair was that???

One think I am almost convinced about: US foreign policy is hashed up in the military quarters on the government and not in the civilian quarters.

- JN

[Amanat]

It is clear now that Americans are drawing more hatred for themselves by floating such stupid ideas....These shameless Americans never know that every pride has a fall so wait for their own fall someday rather redrawing maps. If they are so sympathetic for floody Jews, so why they not embracing them by giving them some area of land to make new Israel in the US territories....

[drljr]

Obviously my reply to the original article hit an exposed nerve and exposed exactly the issue I brought up - an unwillingness to live with each other without animosity. No one wants to discuss an issue unless they can get their way. While the idea sounds good as a theory it is unworkable in practice. What is wrong with at least discussing the idea?

Leave one or more groups out you will always have a problem waiting to rear its head. The original article discussed a lot of groups and left others out as other posters noted. But the original article minimalized Israel's place and pushed the idea of Israel going back to the 1967 borders. To show the unworkable nature of this border adjustment issue I put the "Jewish" issue back into perspective based upon the proposals of the article of homelands and borders. The Jewish homeland is the area the ROMANS renamed "Palestine" in 79AD - it is not the current area of the Country of Israel's 1967 borders. It is not someplace in the Americas, Europe, Asia or Africa. We are talking about restoring "homelands" of ethnic peoples. In the case of Israel a foreign group invaded the country and forced the native people out, which is something that has happended many times in history and yes especially in the Americas - North, South and Central, but also in Europe, Africa and Asia. So if we are restoring homelands as countries then it is only right we restore the homeland of the Jews to where it actually resides. And thus the "foreign invaders" would be required to return to their original homeland. Jews are, after all, probablly the oldest ethnic group in existence.

I point out some of these historic facts and someone responds with "racism" ("floody Jews" which I suspect was supposed to be "bloody Jews") - sounds like the start of racist diatribe to me. Anti-Semitism is racism and it is time people acknowledge that fact and call it what it is. If we are restoring homelands lets restore them based upon what we know of history - it is called being honest with one's self. I pointed this out as well as the fact the Jews have maintained a cultural and religious identity for more than 3000 years, their calendar is in the 5000's after all, and we know where their real homeland is located even with the persecutions, genocide and dislocations they have suffered for thousands of years. And that is whether people want to admit it to themselves. Whether you claim the actions are justified or not the fact is that they have happened and continue to happen. Jews have been made convient scapegoats for all sorts of problems by people and governments who do not, can not or are unwilling to acknowledge their own faults or failures - whether real or imagined. The artifical borders created by the Europeans do not exist just in the Middle East and Indian subcontinent. But the artifical borders also exist in sub-Sahara Africa which people seem to conviently forget along with the genocide that happens regularly in all of Africa. The only other culture that comes close the length of the existence of the Jewish culture is the Chinese, which seems to be around 2500 years or so. China would have been carved up by the Europeans if the USA had not prevented it - albeit for their own selfish reasons.

So who is more at fault - the person who responds with violence or hatred to an idea or the person who puts it on the table for discussion? There is a word in English - "fanatic" with the meaning of "a person with an extreme and uncritical enthusiasm or zeal, as in religion or politics." which unfortunately describes many of the people in the world. Why do many people hate the "shameless Americans"? It is because they actually discuss ideas - whether they are good or bad or if we actually agree with them and make other people discuss the issues instead of just glossing over them? Americans don't even agree with ourselves BUT we do discuss the issues and fight over them, sometimes physically but we don't generally resort to killing each other when we disagree. Look at Iraq and Afghanistan - the people of two religious sects of the same religion killing each other instead of working together to create a prosperous country where people can agree to disagree but work with what they agree on. This type of antagonism has been the historic pattern for years all over the world with the resultant disaster for the people of the world. But in Iraq and Afganistan they are discovering talking about issues can actually work and result in a better solution.

As for the USA being an empire consider this. If the USA were an empire would countries all over the world be able to criticize and do things that are not in the interest of the USA? Is the USA perfect? Are the people perfect? Of course not - but they are at least are willing to admit it and to consider it. Do Americans do stupid things and things that are wrong? Yes. Do they admit it? Most of the time they do if they think they were and are wrong. But if Americans think they are right they don't just change their mind just become someone says they are wrong. But they do generally listen? They do present ideas for consideration.

So would "re-aligning" borders in the Middle East, Sub-Sahara Africa and the Indian subcontinent work. Very doubtful since no one's interests could ever be satisified. Unless the people of the various areas are willing to work together instead of killing each other changing a border won't change anything.

So was it useful to at least discuss the idea? I think so. But would the idea work? Most likely not. But as people read the posts consider the ideas honestly and consider the possibilies. Also, consider the words of your own postings impart about yourself.

[sardar]

slaw berezm
min hich ture nim ,tenha la englizieken turem ,min dlniam lewey gely emey qareman serkeutu debet chunke eme xaweny dozeky rewain...
serkeutint bo dexwazim u emedewarm le nusinekant berdewam bit
her biji bo kurd bo kurdistan

[diyako]

@bezgin
I call you terrorists because you support terrorism.
You kill civilians, you kill people.
You are clearly terrorists.



You don’t even know what is the definition of terrorist my friend. Terrorist is Turkey and Turkish government who has occupying my country and been killing and massacring Kurdish nation. Terrorists is Turkey itself where hold Kurdistan by force and destroying anything from assimilation, killing , massacring , burning and destruction of cities and towns, our beautiful mountains .it has been terrorizing our nation life for last 85 years!!
We Kurds against killing any civilian or woman or children Kurdish, we are freedom lovers we love peace and equality, we asking Turk to live Kurdish nation alone , we are human and Nation, we are masters our own, we determine our own destiny not Turkey, those who fight for Kurdistan they are freedom fighters, our nation principle with fully compile with Geneva convention, with respect of all human values, while in terrorist Turkey millions our men and women in jails and tortured and killed and raped , while our body of Gerilla been molested, burned or head chopped while Turkish Army taking proud photo on dead body as hunters!! Terrorist Turkish Army and MIT(secret service)who wearing Kurdish cloths attacking my villages and my towns than blame on Kurdistan Army!! Massacring my peoples then showing on TV and media
Is your generals and peoples like you really have any moral to call themselves as humans!! Or is you killers have mastered of extermination of civilizations?? World one day will ask this questions to Turkey., be prepared!!!

Isn’t your barbaric Turkey who giving money to terrorist in Iraq to bomb and head chop incense civilian, in order to avoid democracy take place in Middle East (surely with democracy in place in middles east ,Kurdistan will be free in peace full way). Isn’t your country that give HAMAS and Hezbollah guns and weapon to head chop and kill innocent Israel!! Is your country who not hastate to shoot 5 old child in front camera for saying Biji Kurdistan (long live Kurdistan)


But let assure you that this crime is not just against Kurds is against humanity and as we have cadged Arab Saddam, we will put your generals in cadge one day, international community day by day becoming aware Turkish government crimes against Kurdish nation. plus let me tell you this those thug and junta who has been busying killing Kurdish children and terrorizing my country to we will hunt them down one by one be sure about that, you racist regime and systems which been laying from it foundation, no wonder person like you cant tell the different right and wrong. Remember whole turkey foundation has been based on denials of Kurdish nation, when fool like you talking like that calling Kurdish freedom and peace lovers as terrorist doesn’t not surprise us, is good that readers and American peoples in forum reading all this , eventually you blank brain which cause that much haters to toward Kurdistan and Kurdish nation well contribute to our cause!!!

[GUNTURKUN]

why do u talk too much ? if u re brave enough, if u think you are right why do you hesitate ? come and conquer our land ?
but if u worship usa if u adore israel , be sure they never will let u attack TURKIYE. If u want to attack and get the land you claimed that it is yours, you are all alone.. you may get the gear, get the war tactics may be but not the heart, not the motivation.. You are all alone ... all alone...
you ll die alone, you ll fight alone.. then you will be under soil alone, you ll be in prison alone...

YOU ARE ALL ALONE TERRORISTS..
come and attack if you want, if you really think that this land belongs to you
why do you wait? come and take it. Like we did in early 1920's.

let me tell u what u can do : You can use bombs, kill women, kill olds, kill teachers doctors. you can damage unweaponed villages, burn houses, live in mountains like animals. you can sell and buy eroin, coke, smoke.. you can sell weapon, you can only talk and kill innocent people. Nothing else you can do...
I hate you terrorists and terrorist minded Kurds. I hate you cause you eat here you live here, you use the hospitals here educate in the schools here but you always complain . you always have problems with the Turks.
What a disqusting brain you have ? Cure your brains first you Terrorists...

[GUNTURKUN]

Terrorist is used for the human who kills and destroys... Kills innocents, destroys innocents, attacks unweaponed human...

All these information suits pkk terrorists. But what about the Turkish Armed Forces ? Did we ever kill innocents ? Did we ever kill children? Did we ever burn villages ? did we ever do such embarassing actions ?
I ve never seen...

Kurdish citizens think the same as well...


GUNTURKUN SOYLEMEZOGLU - AYDIN

NE MUTLU TURKUM DİYENE

[Kurdistan_Serok]

huh, who cares that You have never seen !!! because you are blind as hell. I think you cannot hear also that you didn't hear that your president said that we will kill childern and woman. I think you didn't hear that also that Turkish special force killed 8 years old boy in Amed( diyarbekir )? so better for you to be like human not like animals like dog and wolf that they will eat themselves.
PKK is the fredom fighter and they never do something against Kurds. because they are not like turks to kill themselves and say the enemies kill this person from us. what a embarassing actions. You sholud never call yourself turk a shameful job.and always try to say the truth. for your information don't watch turkish racist channel instead you can watch ROJ tv that always will say the truth. Turkish soldier burned many villages that you cannot even imagine so All these information suits turkish special and goverment terrorists.

Terrorist is used for the human who kills and destroys... Kills innocents, destroys innocents, attacks unweaponed human...

All these information suits pkk terrorists. But what about the Turkish Armed Forces ? Did we ever kill innocents ? Did we ever kill children? Did we ever burn villages ? did we ever do such embarassing actions ?
I ve never seen...

Kurdish citizens think the same as well...


GUNTURKUN SOYLEMEZOGLU - AYDIN

NE MUTLU TURKUM DİYENE

[Kurdistan_Serok]

Zor sopad hewal. qsekanit raste u be himeti xuman Kurdistan bedi denin. newi min Simako le Rojhelati Kurdistanim wa zor xoshhalim be nasintan englisikeshtan xo xrap niye ewane deyanewe siyaseti xo kem bini be kar benin karek biken ke dast halbigri le nusini rasti u drusti belan gu mede chunke englisi xu weku Kurdi zimani tu ya min niye helesh her debe. hiwadarim ke tush her berdewam bi u becim neheli lera :D . zor sopas be hiwai serkewtin

Biji Kurd u Kurdistan

slaw berezm
min hich ture nim ,tenha la englizieken turem ,min dlniam lewey gely emey qareman serkeutu debet chunke eme xaweny dozeky rewain...
serkeutint bo dexwazim u emedewarm le nusinekant berdewam bit
her biji bo kurd bo kurdistan

[Kurdistan_Serok]

Roj bash Hewal. Hewal Diyako her Biji jibo xebata xo le hember geli Kurdistan. te sherefa geli be nwisina xo. her biji az hedidarim ke herdem berdewam bi.
az dexwazim ke le mabeiyna me Kurdan ke lera hene yeketiyek che be ( Az u te u kak Serdar ) le hember ew turkan.

Biji Kurd u Kurdistan

@bezgin



You don’t even know what is the definition of terrorist my friend. Terrorist is Turkey and Turkish government who has occupying my country and been killing and massacring Kurdish nation. Terrorists is Turkey itself where hold Kurdistan by force and destroying anything from assimilation, killing , massacring , burning and destruction of cities and towns, our beautiful mountains .it has been terrorizing our nation life for last 85 years!!
We Kurds against killing any civilian or woman or children Kurdish, we are freedom lovers we love peace and equality, we asking Turk to live Kurdish nation alone , we are human and Nation, we are masters our own, we determine our own destiny not Turkey, those who fight for Kurdistan they are freedom fighters, our nation principle with fully compile with Geneva convention, with respect of all human values, while in terrorist Turkey millions our men and women in jails and tortured and killed and raped , while our body of Gerilla been molested, burned or head chopped while Turkish Army taking proud photo on dead body as hunters!! Terrorist Turkish Army and MIT(secret service)who wearing Kurdish cloths attacking my villages and my towns than blame on Kurdistan Army!! Massacring my peoples then showing on TV and media
Is your generals and peoples like you really have any moral to call themselves as humans!! Or is you killers have mastered of extermination of civilizations?? World one day will ask this questions to Turkey., be prepared!!!

Isn’t your barbaric Turkey who giving money to terrorist in Iraq to bomb and head chop incense civilian, in order to avoid democracy take place in Middle East (surely with democracy in place in middles east ,Kurdistan will be free in peace full way). Isn’t your country that give HAMAS and Hezbollah guns and weapon to head chop and kill innocent Israel!! Is your country who not hastate to shoot 5 old child in front camera for saying Biji Kurdistan (long live Kurdistan)


But let assure you that this crime is not just against Kurds is against humanity and as we have cadged Arab Saddam, we will put your generals in cadge one day, international community day by day becoming aware Turkish government crimes against Kurdish nation. plus let me tell you this those thug and junta who has been busying killing Kurdish children and terrorizing my country to we will hunt them down one by one be sure about that, you racist regime and systems which been laying from it foundation, no wonder person like you cant tell the different right and wrong. Remember whole turkey foundation has been based on denials of Kurdish nation, when fool like you talking like that calling Kurdish freedom and peace lovers as terrorist doesn’t not surprise us, is good that readers and American peoples in forum reading all this , eventually you blank brain which cause that much haters to toward Kurdistan and Kurdish nation well contribute to our cause!!!

[bezgin]

The PKK is listed as a terrorist organization by Turkey, the EU and the United States.

http://www.pkkterror.com/news/

[SPEAKER]

I wanna give free advice to Ralph i.e; The country with most ethnicity is US.
Every individual there is not an American. He/She is either French-American,
Spanish-American, Deutch-American, British-American and above all he is White American OR Black American. Now truly speaking would u divide ur so called country into above said parts. Leave aside the Roman, Catholic, Protestants aside.

[diyako]

Silav û Rêz Brano!!
Ez ji per serbilindim , ku we ji vîr dibinim,hun brayên minîn reh û cane Kurdistanê, her bijin, rasti xwebat we cihê şanaziyê ye, Ez serkevtin ji xwebat we di xwazim ,
Brayan delal,
Weki hun dizanin me hevcdari bi geleki kurdên zana û revşenbir henê da kû bin vîr , wê çaxê em dikarî keşeya kurdi baştir ronahi kên ji xwadivanen ser wê mal perê her wisa bi şiweyeki profisiyonel agahdari û informasiyonê bi zelali û wekiri bidin gelê cihanê.

Jj Bira we bê brano: Ji bu Kurd û Kurdistan her tişt

[diyako]

@bezgin
The PKK is listed as a terrorist organization by Turkey, the EU and the United States.


Kurdish nation and our country Kurdistan has been victim of injustice of old colonial powers such as British and France, and since Turkish , Iran Syria Iraq foundation, Kurdistan has become more victimized just sake geopolitical , strategically, as well as economical location, to full fill this colonial gains as we know during cold war super powers such as USA and European, for sake of their economical and political gains they have to continued to adapted past policies and abandon Kurds and leave them in mercy of Turks, Arabs and Persian . after collapsed of soviet union we so some lights which is now especially after September 11,things have changed USA and other countries realize that Islamic fanatic and fascism as well as Arab fascism is big danger to humanity and whole world, the dictators who they create them to kill Kurdish nation for sake oil and as well as keeping Turkey as barrier against soviet union and a lot political reason, turn to me devils, and clearly they have realize it urgent needs for democratization of region. they know well that holding different nation together is like force marriage and would never work, and always create more bloodshed ,genocide mass murdering, like Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Syria treatment against Kurdish nation . USA knows today for their own long term interest they have to fix this problem and injustice while still they need keep turkey in their hugs for time been in order to deal with Iran and Syria, therefore they need to put PKK in Terrorist list, but I can assure you once they get rid of IRAN and Syria, thing will be turn other way around, PKK will be come out from that list which made just to please Turkey. This time Turkey will be in terrorist list, USA And EU knows well, Kurdish problem no longer Turkey Problem, they know well past mistake hunting them, they need to fixed it , they need Kurdistan today more than any other country in region, Kurdistan as genetically western nation and well civilized nation, will be developed economically, optically and militarily ,it will be big and strong balance power in region

[bezgin]

Please USA, help these poor Kurdish provocateur agents for their self-claimed country.:D

If you are ready, we are ready. As i said before battling is a national sport for Turks. You will have to nuke Turkey before achieving your goals.

It will be beyond your imagination, we are waiting for you.

[bezgin]

they need to fixed it , they need Kurdistan today more than any other country in region, Kurdistan as genetically western nation and well civilized nation, will be developed economically, optically and militarily ,it will be big and strong balance power in region


:D
ROFLMAO
Funny MOFO, that was nice. You are getting better every post. :D

[chemical_ali]

sure why not ?
why dont u move the kurds to newyork
newyork would be a great capital for kurds
so the problem will be far away from middle east
also they would learn alot from americans the protecter of freedom and democracy

[gloin]

suppose that someone will establish a country on that area, do you really think that kurds will be independent:) I dont think so of course, they will remain as slaves of Americans and Jews, so they will work for the big Israel Emperor at that time and finally USA and Israel will finish the their race as they did to the Red indians in the history, Kurdishes can not be independent now or in the future or couldnt in the past, also kurdishes can not be counted as a race, they re brothers and sisters with Turkish people, in this forum who wrote nasty things about Turkiye or Turkish people are all slave of Jews and Americans that s all, we don t care about them, if they want to take a part from our country, we are all waiting for our country, Turkiye, with our real Kurdish brothers and sisters, not with these kind of slaves...

Ne Mutlu Turkum Diyene...

[gloin]

hey slaves of Americans and Jews! serok and others, let s come, we are waiting you with our real Kurdish brothers, we all want to f...k you, come on slaves...

[gloin]

slaw berezm
min hich ture nim ,tenha la englizieken turem ,min dlniam lewey gely emey qareman serkeutu debet chunke eme xaweny dozeky rewain...
serkeutint bo dexwazim u emedewarm le nusinekant berdewam bit
her biji bo kurd bo kurdistan

a sample of a slave, just laughing for his/her oh no! right word is "its" comments, come on we are waiting with our Kurdish brothers on our borders...

[gloin]

@bezgin


Kurdish nation and our country Kurdistan has been victim of injustice of old colonial powers such as British and France, and since Turkish , Iran Syria Iraq foundation, Kurdistan has become more victimized just sake geopolitical , strategically, as well as economical location, to full fill this colonial gains as we know during cold war super powers such as USA and European, for sake of their economical and political gains they have to continued to adapted past policies and abandon Kurds and leave them in mercy of Turks, Arabs and Persian . after collapsed of soviet union we so some lights which is now especially after September 11,things have changed USA and other countries realize that Islamic fanatic and fascism as well as Arab fascism is big danger to humanity and whole world, the dictators who they create them to kill Kurdish nation for sake oil and as well as keeping Turkey as barrier against soviet union and a lot political reason, turn to me devils, and clearly they have realize it urgent needs for democratization of region. they know well that holding different nation together is like force marriage and would never work, and always create more bloodshed ,genocide mass murdering, like Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Syria treatment against Kurdish nation . USA knows today for their own long term interest they have to fix this problem and injustice while still they need keep turkey in their hugs for time been in order to deal with Iran and Syria, therefore they need to put PKK in Terrorist list, but I can assure you once they get rid of IRAN and Syria, thing will be turn other way around, PKK will be come out from that list which made just to please Turkey. This time Turkey will be in terrorist list, USA And EU knows well, Kurdish problem no longer Turkey Problem, they know well past mistake hunting them, they need to fixed it , they need Kurdistan today more than any other country in region, Kurdistan as genetically western nation and well civilized nation, will be developed economically, optically and militarily ,it will be big and strong balance power in region


a funny story, let s come to our borders, keep your a.s closed tightly, we are all waiting with our Kurdish brothers...

[Kurdistan_Serok]

OMG what is this smell :confused: someone is burning. be cool bezgin on its time we will come as you are ready be ready in everytime ;) . I think your words are finished that you use your nickname (MOFO) for my friend and my brother Diyako. don't worry oxford is useful for this times.:cool:

Please USA, help these poor Kurdish provocateur agents for their self-claimed country.:D

If you are ready, we are ready. As i said before battling is a national sport for Turks. You will have to nuke Turkey before achieving your goals.

It will be beyond your imagination, we are waiting for you.

[Kurdistan_Serok]

OMG unpolite :D I scared ;) be ready dude don't sleep just be ready with your real brothers. I found that you are nothing more than just a terrorist. USA help me they want to terror me ( actually the turkish job is terror. they don't know anything else ) help :D . hahaha realy funny child. don't forget you are waiting for me but how you should sleep at 9:00 PM.


hey slaves of Americans and Jews! serok and others, let s come, we are waiting you with our real Kurdish brothers, we all want to f...k you, come on slaves...

[Kurdistan_Serok]

em katet bash hewal. az ji pir serbilindim , ku legel we le hember mesela Kurd u Kurdistan xebat bikem u pir xushhalim ku we bem hemu zanayetiye lera legel minin. az hedi darim ku le hember ewe da Kirmanci mnish bashtir bibe. :D
az xebat dekem ji bo propagnda kirdim bu hinardina Kurden ziyatir bo era u hedi darim lev kareda serkewim.

Sopas Biraye heja

Silav û Rêz Brano!!
Ez ji per serbilindim , ku we ji vîr dibinim,hun brayên minîn reh û cane Kurdistanê, her bijin, rasti xwebat we cihê şanaziyê ye, Ez serkevtin ji xwebat we di xwazim ,
Brayan delal,
Weki hun dizanin me hevcdari bi geleki kurdên zana û revşenbir henê da kû bin vîr , wê çaxê em dikarî keşeya kurdi baştir ronahi kên ji xwadivanen ser wê mal perê her wisa bi şiweyeki profisiyonel agahdari û informasiyonê bi zelali û wekiri bidin gelê cihanê.

Jj Bira we bê brano: Ji bu Kurd û Kurdistan her tişt

[Hasan]

Ralph Peters needs to learn from the lessons of history. Foreign superpowers can redraw maps on paper, debate their own logic, invade, occupy and divide countries, but peace never results from these actions. Britain and France tried to draw the maps of the Middle East, the maps of Africa, Southern Asia and of the Far East. Without the will of the people and their free choice, no one has the right to dictate their ideas on another people. If they do so using the law of power, rather than the power of law, they do this at their own peril and a high price to their own and the occupied peoples.
Britain's unwritten rule of Empire was "Divide and Rule". Are we that stupid to try to make things that did not work, sound feasible and logical?
Ralph Peters, stick to your knitting.

[diyako]

@bezgin
Bezgin!! Your are real Turk !! you know why because you are simply dumb and don’t know anything!! Kurdish nation are not your brothers, so dont confuse yourself, you event don’t what is the definition of brother hood is(brother share equal rights, they even can go their own way if they not happy or mistreated)
Get this one right zulu!! we are racially culturally linguistically ,historically anything you can called and bring in table that we different then Turks. Turks who come from north west china , place where today near Manchuria, where Uygur Turks lives( I have personally been china twice I have met uygur Turks and seen their suffering in hand Chinese government, and I do share their freedom from Chinese’s occupiers) Turkish migration take place somewhere around 1000years ago,, how ever Kurdish nation are part of European who migrated from north Europe to Kurdistan 4000 years , our language is one of richest branch of indo-European languages, Turkish language is Altaic branch of language, which’s common to Mongolian, Tibetans, Kazak, etc, all north Asian language family branch. infect Turks are Asians ,where Kurds are European, the language you writing in this Forum” ENGLISH” it is second closest language to Kurdish in fact if you hate Kurdish so much you shouldn’t be talking in English, because is cousin to Kurdish language .

[gloin]

OMG unpolite :D I scared ;) be ready dude don't sleep just be ready with your real brothers. I found that you are nothing more than just a terrorist. USA help me they want to terror me ( actually the turkish job is terror. they don't know anything else ) help :D . hahaha realy funny child. don't forget you are waiting for me but how you should sleep at 9:00 PM.


shut your nasty mouth slave, you re slave now and will be forever, dont forget, you re not clever enough for independency, come on we are waiting on our holy borders with our brothers...

PS:USA will f.ck you all at the right time when he finishes his work in the Middle East, slavesss what a pity for you...

[sardar]

u pll are really dudu and dump golk! u pll have nothing to say the point is that go out get out my own home and go home ! what i ever said world saying it too and what ever u say world is not agree with u because ur not right and am right !
kurdistan belong to kurds not turks kurdistan means the land of kurds ! turkistan means a land of turks .so ur in my own home this home called KURDISTAN and am telling u go out and u dont accept the truth.so can u tell who is right ?ok if i come to ur own home and told u shut up u idiot turk here is my home ,so which kind of answer should u have ?so i hope u pll could see the truth and weak up i hope u pll could understand that u pll will not lose blood anymore for nothing well with that u will give ur next generation a better life!because since ur accepting my home my flag my holy nation u will lose blood ! and staing in kurdistan for always will be really big dream ! because world have been changed but u niandirtal pll will never understand
since we kick ur ass ! as we are doing always ! or lets say if kurdistan belong to turks then pakistan kazakistan indistan englizstan also suppos belong to turkistan :D god u pll are really chip :D weak up mogol weak up trurkey world have been changed its 2006 Ms kemal ata dogs time is already passed!stop leraing from ms kemal ata dogs school open ur eyes and see what world is saying ! leran about KURD & KURDISTAN !

[Perfectionist]

Well! such a map might have been possible say a hundred years ago. But now I think it is an illusion. With the might of the Pakistani Army any violent struggles would never be successful. As for political movements, the people of NWFP find work in all the other provinces. There are millions of them in Punjab and Sindh. Furthermore, now they have mixed up with the local population and the process has been continuing for centuries and not for the few recent decades. So any political movement to be successful, the future of these people must be defined otherwise, there would be immense bloodshed. As for Baluchistan emerging, even the people of Baluchistan are extremely dependent on the other provinces for their financial livelihood. For example, Lasbella and Gwadar are very much dependent upon Karachi and Sindh. People of north Baluchistan have ties with people of Punjab that have existed for centuries. Besides what is the guarantee that when these states exist, they would be strong, as these people hold tribal grudges and feuds against each other that have existed for centuries. There loyalties are first and foremost to their tribes. It would only result into only the subjugation of all other tribes by the more powerful ones which most tribes are not ready to accept. A civil war might also ensue. As for Afghanistan, is already in turmoil because it is not inhabited by only persians and afghan but also turks. There has been great infighting between these groups for centuries. This is still the bone of contention and most of Afghanistan's problems, if not all. Then there are the shia and sunni aspects of Afghanistan. Besides most Pakistanis have there ancestry from Afghanistan as well. Would they like to live in a strong and prosperous Pakistan that answers to their religious and economic needs or an unstable hotpotch of often violent and enemy tribes and people.

[diyako]

Dear Mr. Perfectionist and Other Friends:

My friend, such MAP is not illusions, when you looking at long terms peace and stability , worth of mentioning , human right , democracy,. In this century we have two choices: First choice:
Either we keep current Map intact,, which in that case this scenario in only achievable in short terms. And in that case those country have to run by military and dictators , strong fear, force which in such countries in fact it wouldn’t be any democracy and civil right, day by day blood shed and mass murdering, which is impossible in today world such regimes as Iran, turkey , Syria or a Pakistan can stay in tact, not to mention such regimes to stay alive they have strong terrorist links or Islamic fascism, while world is in globalization stage, any lack democracy and freedom is hurting world wide international community as well as economical trades, development and other supplies in region such as oils(adding the moral issue as well where peoples become more aware those countries barbaric altitudes towards their minorities) therefore such scenario which has been adopted for century where unfairly put different nation together without proper representation of different ethnic and nations. Therefore those countries(Turkey ,Iran Syria, Iraq..etc…) systems and borders in this century is it is in fact are blood borders, which it already ruins everyone life and impossible to keep them for ever , reforming it is and long over due.

The second choice:
This MAP it is achievable through peaceful means if those countries start reform and democratizes, and let peacefully will of peoples take place through referendum as we seen in Montenegro’s peaceful transition from Serbia to its own state as well as Catalonia for greater autonomy through peaceful referendum in Spain as well as Spain take more braves Steps, and negotiating with Basque freedom fighters .

Therefore this Map will eventually, will be adopted, whether by force and bloodshed or a through peaceful transition period.
Kurdish nation injustice is one of tragedies of its kind in whole human history, 45 millions Kurds can not be ignored in this century, and today it is world community concern, 25 million just in northern Kurdistan (so called eastern Turkey) lack of right and freedom, force assimilation genocide ..etc…,, you tell me Do you really you believe Turkey can continue by its racist and fascist altitude towards Kurdish nation??, Do you Believe turkey with all weapons and artillery and chemicals been using against Kurds over and over, can finish Kurds??
Do you think they West can continue for ever finance Turkey giving Turkish generals money to kill Kurds??!!
Toady animals right had been observed in united nation, surely world would open its eyes will say about this crimes of Turkey!! not just for moral issue but for sake peaces and prosperity in region, international community one day will speak out and would say Turkey Must be Stopped.

[bezgin]

Kurdish nation injustice is one of tragedies of its kind in whole human history, 45 millions Kurds can not be ignored in this century, and today it is world community concern, 25 million just in northern Kurdistan (so called eastern Turkey) lack of right and freedom, force assimilation genocide ..etc…,, you tell me Do you really you believe Turkey can continue by its racist and fascist altitude towards Kurdish nation??, Do you Believe turkey with all weapons and artillery and chemicals been using against Kurds over and over, can finish Kurds??



looooooooooooooooooooooooool
you are full of shit.

[sardar]

looooooooooooooooooooooooool
you are full of shit.
baby dont u shame ? u have nothing more to say thats why u use this chip language ! ok answer him if u see urself right .well its just end of ur words .believe u better be quite or try to leran something but out ms kemal ata dogs school :D

[Kurdistan_Serok]

I told you baby that learn something or when you want to say something try to say it in proper way here is not turkey that you speak rubbish. I wanna remember you that you should sleep at 9:00 pm and if your father ( if you have ) don't tell you that you should be polite let me tell you that you should be polite and be cool when you are hearing the truth or talking with an older person Okay baby ? GOOD.:cool:


looooooooooooooooooooooooool
you are full of shit.

[Kurdistan_Serok]

Wow what a turk real turk Hahahahaha you should go stay in Frig cuz of your Temperature then when you have nothing to say please shut up very simple. one question where are you I cannot see you?:confused: you small baby. say something useful instead of showing your teeth like a dog okay? otherwise I swear I will break your neck. with this stupid thing you want to scare who?? be happy with your nice dreams. don't forget my advise stay and sleep in frig and don't say bullshits.

shut your nasty mouth slave, you re slave now and will be forever, dont forget, you re not clever enough for independency, come on we are waiting on our holy borders with our brothers...

PS:USA will f.ck you all at the right time when he finishes his work in the Middle East, slavesss what a pity for you...

[Türk_kürdü]

Dear Mr. Perfectionist and Other Friends:

My friend, such MAP is not illusions, when you looking at long terms peace and stability , worth of mentioning , human right , democracy,. In this century we have two choices: First choice:
Either we keep current Map intact,, which in that case this scenario in only achievable in short terms. And in that case those country have to run by military and dictators , strong fear, force which in such countries in fact it wouldn’t be any democracy and civil right, day by day blood shed and mass murdering, which is impossible in today world such regimes as Iran, turkey , Syria or a Pakistan can stay in tact, not to mention such regimes to stay alive they have strong terrorist links or Islamic fascism, while world is in globalization stage, any lack democracy and freedom is hurting world wide international community as well as economical trades, development and other supplies in region such as oils(adding the moral issue as well where peoples become more aware those countries barbaric altitudes towards their minorities) therefore such scenario which has been adopted for century where unfairly put different nation together without proper representation of different ethnic and nations. Therefore those countries(Turkey ,Iran Syria, Iraq..etc…) systems and borders in this century is it is in fact are blood borders, which it already ruins everyone life and impossible to keep them for ever , reforming it is and long over due.

The second choice:
This MAP it is achievable through peaceful means if those countries start reform and democratizes, and let peacefully will of peoples take place through referendum as we seen in Montenegro’s peaceful transition from Serbia to its own state as well as Catalonia for greater autonomy through peaceful referendum in Spain as well as Spain take more braves Steps, and negotiating with Basque freedom fighters .

Therefore this Map will eventually, will be adopted, whether by force and bloodshed or a through peaceful transition period.
Kurdish nation injustice is one of tragedies of its kind in whole human history, 45 millions Kurds can not be ignored in this century, and today it is world community concern, 25 million just in northern Kurdistan (so called eastern Turkey) lack of right and freedom, force assimilation genocide ..etc…,, you tell me Do you really you believe Turkey can continue by its racist and fascist altitude towards Kurdish nation??, Do you Believe turkey with all weapons and artillery and chemicals been using against Kurds over and over, can finish Kurds??
Do you think they West can continue for ever finance Turkey giving Turkish generals money to kill Kurds??!!
Toady animals right had been observed in united nation, surely world would open its eyes will say about this crimes of Turkey!! not just for moral issue but for sake peaces and prosperity in region, international community one day will speak out and would say Turkey Must be Stopped.

Don't call Diyarbakir Amed, because it is a Turkish city and not a Kurdish, the Kurdish peaple that lives there are Turkish kurds, and they are not Terrorist..

Go **** your selfs in the mountains of Irak..

[Türk_kürdü]

Wow what a turk real turk Hahahahaha you should go stay in Frig cuz of your Temperature then when you have nothing to say please shut up very simple. one question where are you I cannot see you?:confused: you small baby. say something useful instead of showing your teeth like a dog okay? otherwise I swear I will break your neck. with this stupid thing you want to scare who?? be happy with your nice dreams. don't forget my advise stay and sleep in frig and don't say bullshits.

Hey little baby, your crying... Your a ****ing cryer.. you don;t have a Country, you want a toy just like a little kid want his toys..

ooo your so oeleleoeoee.. Here you got a toy, Don't cry my baby.. God loves you to...

[gloin]

Don't call Diyarbakir Amed, because it is a Turkish city and not a Kurdish, the Kurdish peaple that lives there are Turkish kurds, and they are not Terrorist..

Go **** your selfs in the mountains of Irak..



We are waiting all of you with our real Kurdish brothers as Türk_kürdü told here, we are here on the ground and you?? on the mountains, caves, holes like a rat, come on slaves, we are ready for protecting our borders, **** your plans america, we are waiting all of you...

[Kurdistan_Serok]

oh my god I am crying , I don't have country I need his toy ( all bullshit ) stop saying bullshit asshole. don't waste the other people's time you and all turks with your stupid threads nobody knows what are you talking about. you stupid turks even don't know that if there is turkey, if there is a country with the name of turkey, it is all because USA protect you otherwise we Kurds never let somebody that cannot understand democratic way language breath and even stay on the earth, it is USA and NATO that they will train your ****ing terrorist army and special forces then what the **** you can say against them you Bastards ball lickers ?? say something meaningful not only you gloin also . and about turk !!! which animal is it?

read this ****ing thread completely meaningless and turkish thread

Hey little baby, your crying... Your a ****ing cryer.. you don;t have a Country, you want a toy just like a little kid want his toys..

ooo your so oeleleoeoee.. Here you got a toy, Don't cry my baby.. God loves you to...

[bezgin]

If we are waste of time you are human wastes. You should be dumped forever in the dustbin of history.

I dont regard you as Kurdish people. You are only bunch of losers who sware from in front of the computer instead of fighting like a real man. Face the difficulties, as long as we live, there will be no Kurdistan inside of Turkish territories.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?You are possibly lacking some serious brain in your head, stop swaring like a little girl, come out from where you are hiding, come out play like a real man.

[akbar]

The article is more like a publicity stuff for the author rather giving any concrete reasoning to back his predictions or more or less his baseless speculations. The author has never lived or even interacted extensively with the natives belongs to all segments/provinces of states in questions... So for me writer credibility is in question at the first place then anything else, not to mention his bleak sketch of middle-east and Pakistan in particular...

Time has changed, gone were the days when boundaries were used to change after every decade. If that would have been possible then Israel could have done it in Lebanon. Moreover if someone thing that change will come from within then its only possible if central goverment of that country wants the same... Can anyone point-out single country which is disintegrated in last 25 years on the grounds which this author is emphasizing on throughout the entire article... of course, None.

As a last note... the problem with majority of westerns especially so-called self-proclaimed intelligentsia there always come up with some idea or fiction ate thesis of some school paper.

[gloin]

Wow what a turk real turk Hahahahaha you should go stay in Frig cuz of your Temperature then when you have nothing to say please shut up very simple. one question where are you I cannot see you?:confused: you small baby. say something useful instead of showing your teeth like a dog okay? otherwise I swear I will break your neck. with this stupid thing you want to scare who?? be happy with your nice dreams. don't forget my advise stay and sleep in frig and don't say bullshits.


as I always say, we are here on our borders, you can not swear to do anything slave, you must obey to someone, you will lick our mudy boots on our borders before die as a rat, hey slave don t get angry, you can not do anything by yourself...... let s get angry now, we are here and waiting for our holy borders with our Kurdish brothers...

PS: I wont reply this kind of slaves' messages anymore, we are here that s all, maybe US will throw a bone to our east part, let s try to take it slaves, we are ready on our borders...last words you will stay in frig soon, dont be afraid slave, as I said before you can t do or think anything by yourself

[gloin]

oh my god I am crying , I don't have country I need his toy ( all bullshit ) stop saying bullshit asshole. don't waste the other people's time you and all turks with your stupid threads nobody knows what are you talking about. you stupid turks even don't know that if there is turkey, if there is a country with the name of turkey, it is all because USA protect you otherwise we Kurds never let somebody that cannot understand democratic way language breath and even stay on the earth, it is USA and NATO that they will train your ****ing terrorist army and special forces then what the **** you can say against them you Bastards ball lickers ?? say something meaningful not only you gloin also . and about turk !!! which animal is it?

read this ****ing thread completely meaningless and turkish thread


hey slave, get out of this forum, look at the history, there was a meaningfull peace in the MiddleEast during our Emperor, thats why we ve standed for 600 years, look at Iraq now, are they happy, more than 2000 people are being killed in every month, now you can say at the north of Iraq kurds are in safe, but only for now, be sure they will bury you after they finish their job there, be sure slave...

[gloin]

u pll are really dudu and dump golk! u pll have nothing to say the point is that go out get out my own home and go home ! what i ever said world saying it too and what ever u say world is not agree with u because ur not right and am right !
kurdistan belong to kurds not turks kurdistan means the land of kurds ! turkistan means a land of turks .so ur in my own home this home called KURDISTAN and am telling u go out and u dont accept the truth.so can u tell who is right ?ok if i come to ur own home and told u shut up u idiot turk here is my home ,so which kind of answer should u have ?so i hope u pll could see the truth and weak up i hope u pll could understand that u pll will not lose blood anymore for nothing well with that u will give ur next generation a better life!because since ur accepting my home my flag my holy nation u will lose blood ! and staing in kurdistan for always will be really big dream ! because world have been changed but u niandirtal pll will never understand
since we kick ur ass ! as we are doing always ! or lets say if kurdistan belong to turks then pakistan kazakistan indistan englizstan also suppos belong to turkistan :D god u pll are really chip :D weak up mogol weak up trurkey world have been changed its 2006 Ms kemal ata dogs time is already passed!stop leraing from ms kemal ata dogs school open ur eyes and see what world is saying ! leran about KURD & KURDISTAN !


hey slave, Turks & Kurds will **** all of slaves like you as Atatürk did before, come on we are waiting on our holy borders, let s come tomorrrow, if you re really brave enough, but get permission from your master, he will throw a bone maybe, come dogy, come and lick our boots...

[Türk_kürdü]

oh my god I am crying , I don't have country I need his toy ( all bullshit ) stop saying bullshit asshole. don't waste the other people's time you and all turks with your stupid threads nobody knows what are you talking about. you stupid turks even don't know that if there is turkey, if there is a country with the name of turkey, it is all because USA protect you otherwise we Kurds never let somebody that cannot understand democratic way language breath and even stay on the earth, it is USA and NATO that they will train your ****ing terrorist army and special forces then what the **** you can say against them you Bastards ball lickers ?? say something meaningful not only you gloin also . and about turk !!! which animal is it?

read this ****ing thread completely meaningless and turkish thread

Your just a big mother****er..

[Kurdistan_Serok]

this answer is for all these stupid threads that are written above!!

fighting like a real man you should tell yourself you dumb turk that you cannot do anything without NATO and USA and also when they don't do anything you will use terror, chemical weapon and so on. I think I should remind you that all these turkish Bastards that they will go to hell, they have sent by Kurdish Freedom Fighter not in attack only in defence, just imagine you asshole only defence, then if we attack you then how many of you Bastards will go to hell by PKKs Freedom Fighters only god know that. and for that mother****er ( Nice to know you )Turk_kurdu. and Kurdistan is not inside turkey mother****er it is a bigger country separate from you dumbs.
right now Kurdistan is a tumb of you dumbs and till the last one of you we will keep sending you turks to the hell. just come I am there Kurds are everywhere I am here when you hearing that one licker sent to the hell think about me I did.
Long live PKK we will keep sending you guys to the hell everyday,everywhere. don't forget it write it in a piece of paper cuz you dumbs don't have brain !!!!

If we are waste of time you are human wastes. You should be dumped forever in the dustbin of history.
I dont regard you as Kurdish people. You are only bunch of losers who sware from in front of the computer instead of fighting like a real man. Face the difficulties, as long as we live, there will be no Kurdistan inside of Turkish territories.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?You are possibly lacking some serious brain in your head, stop swaring like a little girl, come out from where you are hiding, come out play like a real man.

[sardar]

Just Tell ::::bezgin ,goiln Others :::ddont U Shame ::::u Pll Are Still Writing .shame Of Ur Self :stop Be An Idiot Have U See Me Ask For Ur Land?DONT BE FASHISIM KURDISTAN BELONG TO KURDS NOT TURKS KURDISTAN MEAN THE LAND OF KURDS TURKISTAN MEAN THE LAND OF TURKS :SO STOP BARKING FOR NOTHING OPEN UR EYES AND SEE THE TRUTH:OR
Have U See Me Ask For Other Plls Land ? Have U See Me Coloni Others Land ?have U See Me Forigin Plls Mom Language ? I Hope U Could Understand And Shame To Write Here Any More .be Quite,give Up And Go Give Ur Next Generation A Better Life !if Not U Will Lose Pleny Of Blood For Nothing! World Have Been Changed I Tiold U More Then 100 Times ... So Get Me Its Better For U And Ur Next Generastion

[Türk_kürdü]

this answer is for all these stupid threads that are written above!!

fighting like a real man you should tell yourself you dumb turk that you cannot do anything without NATO and USA and also when they don't do anything you will use terror, chemical weapon and so on. I think I should remind you that all these turkish Bastards that they will go to hell, they have sent by Kurdish Freedom Fighter not in attack only in defence, just imagine you asshole only defence, then if we attack you then how many of you Bastards will go to hell by PKKs Freedom Fighters only god know that. and for that mother****er ( Nice to know you )Turk_kurdu. and Kurdistan is not inside turkey mother****er it is a bigger country separate from you dumbs.
right now Kurdistan is a tumb of you dumbs and till the last one of you we will keep sending you turks to the hell. just come I am there Kurds are everywhere I am here when you hearing that one licker sent to the hell think about me I did.
Long live PKK we will keep sending you guys to the hell everyday,everywhere. don't forget it write it in a piece of paper cuz you dumbs don't have brain !!!!

Do you realy thin that You could do anything without America? What the **** are you thinking? We can't do anything bla bla bullshit, your just a BIG LOSER, you living in a dreamworld. Turks wil defend theyre borders until they DIE!!! You are a coward, just like the terrorist PKK, they are hiding in caves, come out if you are a man an can fight.

[shiklore1]

Whatever other think of blood borders me beinga a Baloch and living n misierable conditions under the bombarments of Pakistan army on our baloch nation in balochistan,and where the cruality of pakistani agencies are on its peak who have captured thousands of inocent balochs violating human rights,this map realy enhance the hopes of baloch to get a free country and live peacefully and have a chance to play their role for a peaceful world.What we Baloch can do is to hope that it all happens and look toward the countries of the world to help us in taking out from this bloody war of crual pakistan army.
Shakeel BALOCH
Free BALOCHISTAN

[shiklore1]

Whatever other think of blood borders me beinga a Baloch and living n misierable conditions under the bombarments of Pakistan army on our baloch nation in balochistan,and where the cruality of pakistani agencies are on its peak who have captured thousands of inocent balochs violating human rights,this map realy enhance the hopes of baloch to get a free country and live peacefully and have a chance to play their role for a peaceful world.What we Baloch can do is to hope that it all happens and look toward the countries of the world to help us in taking out from this bloody war of crual pakistan army.
Shakeel BALOCH
Free BALOCHISTAN

[diyako]

What a disparate Turks!!! Calling Kurds salve!Weldone!! that is a good things .It is very much true infact, in 21 centaury only nation which has been treated worse than slaves, are Kurds. I am glad to see peoples in forum see how truths spelling out on your mouth .
Some of fool like bezgin and others call “our borders”!! Your border just crosses above Sivas. Kurdistan Army fighting are not in current illegal blood borders (so called Iraq and Turkey borders), fool!! You collecting your coffin from Diyarbakir ,Van Agri, Bingol etc…, not in borders, war is in heart of Kurdistan not in borders, PKK not fighting in Borders PKK is Fighting in heart of Northern Kurdistan(so called Eastern Turkey).
As I have said before,The Systems of denial and fascism have blind your eyes, if you think in this war only Kurds suffering, you have mistaken, poor Turkish family who been mislead and send their beloved soon in Kurdistan and later collecting their body while stupid baggers like you here proud of so called Turkey,!! How can be proud when your country is in hell!! When billions dollars been barrowed from west to kills Kurds, when over half population live in poverty and hunger, while most income and other international funded money go to artillery!! Is already hurting world community, Do you really think they can fund you for ever!! You have mistaken!!!

one thing is am happy to see is that, see sign of weakness and insecurity from Turks is that, for last centaury they have tried very hard to hide Kurds and their cause from international community, now things have changed, Kurdish problem and their destiny no longer in hand little Turkey, The international community and world powers have a lot to say in this, and that is where Kurdish young peoples who sit down in front computer come from!! So called them lazy and scary!!!

We have neither dream nor fantasy to kick out Turks to north china or magnolia, our cause justified cause, nothing worrying us at all , we grow up with pain and suffering of our nation . any human who have sense of moral would understand that, It is about freedom and free of choice and having a systems that full fill their language ,culture national identity etc…,there fore all Kurds asking is about to have say in their future not by Turks nor by anyone is simple and logical human instinct, we always welcome Turks to put peaceful referendum which is monitored by international community in place to ask Kurds what they want!! War and bloodshed against defenseless Kurds and deny their rights, their language their culture, their identity etc.. never have been answer, and will never solve anything.

Dear Turkish Blood suckers!!, tell your general the biggest weapon today Kurds have and will destroy Turkey in pieces is “ Weapon OF Communication”, Kurds Are talking, Even your junta’s Allies now much aware of the situation of Kurds inside occupier land(Northern Kurdistan), world getting info. About Kurds day by day as well as their cause, you can sit there and call us what ever you like. The biggest worry of your general is young Kurdish peoples like us who screaming to outside world.
Make No Mistake! We are not here to educate or lecture Turks, we already have enough brave young Men and Women in front line, we are the messengers!!!! And The God of Kurdistan is above us, we see the lights, we see the future. Freedom is the human very basic instinct, anyone would die for it, and no cause can not be greater than that, and is always has been reality as history of mankind shown. Therefore when we say freedom to Kurdistan, it is our identity. it is our country , it is our freedom ,and it is it reshaping as we speaking!!!

[diyako]

What a disparate Turks!!! Calling Kurds salve! good things that, that is much is true in fact, in 21 centaury only nation which has been treated worse than slaves, are Kurds. I ma glad to see peoples in forum see how truths spelling out on your mouth .
Some of fool like bezgin and others call “our borders”!! Your border just crosses above Sivas. Kurdistan Army fighting are not in current illegal blood borders (so called Iraq and Turkey borders), fool!! You collecting your coffin from Diyarbakir ,Van Agri, Bingol etc…, not in borders, war is in heart of Kurdistan not in borders, PKK not fighting in Borders PKK is Fighting in heart of Northern Kurdistan(so called Eastern Turkey).
As I have said before,The Systems of denial and fascism have blind your eyes, if you think in this war only Kurds suffering, you have mistaken, poor Turkish family who been mislead and send their beloved soon in Kurdistan and later collecting their body while stupid baggers like you here proud of so called Turkey,!! How can be proud when your country is in hell!! When billions dollars been barrowed from west to kills Kurds, when over half population live in poverty and hunger, while most income and other international funded money go to artillery!! Is already hurting world community, Do you really think they can fund you for ever!! You have mistaken!!!

one thing is am happy to see is that, see sign of weakness and insecurity from Turks is that, for last centaury they have tried very hard to hide Kurds and their cause from international community, now things have changed, Kurdish problem and their destiny no longer in hand little Turkey, The international community and world powers have a lot to say in this, and that is where Kurdish young peoples who sit down in front computer come from!! So called them lazy and scary!!!

We have neither dream nor fantasy to kick out Turks to north china or magnolia, our cause justified cause, nothing worrying us at all , we grow up with pain and suffering of our nation . any human who have sense of moral would understand that, It is about freedom and free of choice and having a systems that full fill their language ,culture national identity etc…,there fore all Kurds asking is about to have say in their future not by Turks nor by anyone is simple and logical human instinct, we always welcome Turks to put peaceful referendum which is monitored by international community in place to ask Kurds what they want!! War and bloodshed against defenseless Kurds and deny their rights, their language their culture, their identity etc.. never have been answer, and will never solve anything.

Dear Turkish Blood suckers!!, tell your general the biggest weapon today Kurds have and will destroy Turkey in pieces is “ Weapon OF Communication”, Kurds Are talking, Even your junta’s Allies now much aware of the situation of Kurds inside occupier land(Northern Kurdistan), world getting info. About Kurds day by day as well as their cause, you can sit there and call us what ever you like. The biggest worry of your general is young Kurdish peoples like us who screaming to outside world.
Make No Mistake! We are not here to educate or lecture Turks, we already have enough brave young Men and Women in front line, we are the messengers!!!! And The God of Kurdistan is above us, we see the lights, we see the future. Freedom is the human very basic instinct, anyone would die for it, and no cause can not be greater than that, and is always has been reality as history of mankind shown. Therefore when we say freedom to Kurdistan, it is our identity. it is our country , it is our freedom ,and it is it reshaping as we speaking!!!

[Türk_kürdü]

Your text is a sample of opticial ullusion.

Just a Big dream, Diyarbakir, Agri, Sanli-Urga, Gaziantep, $emdilini..

America sad to the Kurds in 1990 in IRaq that they must resist and that America would help them, after that America made a agreement with Saddam Husseyin, what kind of effect dit it have on the Kurds in IRaq?
Just think about that and you will see that America just isn't reliable.

The Americans are using the Kurds to stabilize northern-Iraq, they don't wan't to send soldiers of themselfs die there. They are using you, after your work is finished they will get Northern-Iraq to they are searching for oil! I don't understand you guys, can't you see that the Americans are doing everything for themselfves? After they've got the oil, you will never get a Kurdistan because Turkey is for mor powerfull ally for America than a possible Kurdistan, Turkey has a big, modern army, dont forget that 70% of all the taxis are directly going in the budged of the army.

Rank Country Military expenditures, USD Date of information
— World Total 896,235,600,000 —
1 United States 518,100,000,000 2005
2 People's Republic of China[1] 81,480,000,000 2005 (est.)
Russia 50,000,000,000[2] est.
3 France 45,000,000,000 2005
4 Japan 44,700,000,000 2005
5 United Kingdom 42,836,500,000 2003
6 Germany 41,063,000,000 2003
7 Italy 28,182,800,000 2003
8 South Korea 21,060,000,000 2005
9 India 19,040,000,000 2005
10 Saudi Arabia 18,000,000,000 2002
11 Australia 17,840,000,000 2005
12 Turkey 16,155,000,000 2004

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

A kurdistan is not even on the list!

Turkey spends 16,155,000,000 miljard dollars every single year into the army.

This is my next list:
Nummbers of active troops of all the countries of the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_active_troops

Rank Nation Active Troops Reserve Force Paramilitary Total Active troops per thousand citizens
1 People's Republic of China 2,255,000[1] 800,000[1] 3,969,000[1] 7,024,000 1.71
2 United States 2,369,239
3 India 3,773,300
4 North Korea 5,995,000
5 Russia 3,037,000
6 South Korea 5,209,000
7 Pakistan 1,449,000
8 Turkey 1,043,550

ANd again, Kurdistan is not on the list.

Turkey have's 3 army's

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_armies_by_number

And again Kurdistan is not on the list.

[Kurdistan_Serok]

we are here in Kurdistan and you know that better than anybody else. PKK as a Kurdish freedom fighter they follow Kurdish strategy as 1000s years back Kurds defenced themselves. if it was turks instead of Kurds be sure that now you only could find thier bones but Kurds are more strong ( in logic and in strategy ) because in 2700 years back till now there is a war to terminate Kurds but of course it is very difficult for them ( turks, arabs, iranian ) to eat this morsel. we Kurds for our rights and we will achieve them nobody can stop us not even sheep dogs.even I know that you are a turk. okay you wrote that turkish have 3 army they spend lots of money for army and bla bla bla but my question is that why for army and war? why they don't spend these amount of money for making a peaceful turkey that on that Kurds also have thier rights??? why ?? turks even they cannot accept that there is Kurd but no problem we Kurds will show them that they are in a wrong way we have one army we Kurdish people pay our money for PKK we will join it and if our enemies don't want to accept our rights and they only think about war and how they can terminate Kurds then we will defece Kurds and don't give damn that what other will say about us we are Freedom Fighters.

think about a Peaceful turkey, think about why you cannot accept it and solve them and accept it cuz it is the only way that can keep Kurds to stay with turkey. Kurds only want thier RIGHTS.

LONG LIVE PEACE

Do you realy thin that You could do anything without America? What the **** are you thinking? We can't do anything bla bla bullshit, your just a BIG LOSER, you living in a dreamworld. Turks wil defend theyre borders until they DIE!!! You are a coward, just like the terrorist PKK, they are hiding in caves, come out if you are a man an can fight.

[patroit pakistani]

well , Ralph Peters is retired army officer who probably doesnot have any job. H e writes these wishful absurd thoughts like fairy tales . would you like to present unfolding plan of your caotic story.

As regards my baluch brothers , please get rid of your sardars , they are the obsticles in your progress. I have seen and lived in remote locations in baluchistan for many years ,

long live baluchies

M MUNIR MUKHA

[Kurdistan_Serok]

bay tum kiya hal he ,acha he ? me tik hu :D
I know what you mean my friend cuz the same thing situation is there is balochestan of iran. all free people will support these type of movement that make Freedom for people.

Long Live Kurdistan/ Long Live Balochestan

Keep trying for free Balochestan never give up.

Whatever other think of blood borders me beinga a Baloch and living n misierable conditions under the bombarments of Pakistan army on our baloch nation in balochistan,and where the cruality of pakistani agencies are on its peak who have captured thousands of inocent balochs violating human rights,this map realy enhance the hopes of baloch to get a free country and live peacefully and have a chance to play their role for a peaceful world.What we Baloch can do is to hope that it all happens and look toward the countries of the world to help us in taking out from this bloody war of crual pakistan army.
Shakeel BALOCH
Free BALOCHISTAN

[gloin]

What a disparate Turks!!! Calling Kurds salve! good things that, that is much is true in fact, in 21 centaury only nation which has been treated worse than slaves, are Kurds. I ma glad to see peoples in forum see how truths spelling out on your mouth .
Some of fool like bezgin and others call “our borders”!! Your border just crosses above Sivas. Kurdistan Army fighting are not in current illegal blood borders (so called Iraq and Turkey borders), fool!! You collecting your coffin from Diyarbakir ,Van Agri, Bingol etc…, not in borders, war is in heart of Kurdistan not in borders, PKK not fighting in Borders PKK is Fighting in heart of Northern Kurdistan(so called Eastern Turkey).
As I have said before,The Systems of denial and fascism have blind your eyes, if you think in this war only Kurds suffering, you have mistaken, poor Turkish family who been mislead and send their beloved soon in Kurdistan and later collecting their body while stupid baggers like you here proud of so called Turkey,!! How can be proud when your country is in hell!! When billions dollars been barrowed from west to kills Kurds, when over half population live in poverty and hunger, while most income and other international funded money go to artillery!! Is already hurting world community, Do you really think they can fund you for ever!! You have mistaken!!!

one thing is am happy to see is that, see sign of weakness and insecurity from Turks is that, for last centaury they have tried very hard to hide Kurds and their cause from international community, now things have changed, Kurdish problem and their destiny no longer in hand little Turkey, The international community and world powers have a lot to say in this, and that is where Kurdish young peoples who sit down in front computer come from!! So called them lazy and scary!!!

We have neither dream nor fantasy to kick out Turks to north china or magnolia, our cause justified cause, nothing worrying us at all , we grow up with pain and suffering of our nation . any human who have sense of moral would understand that, It is about freedom and free of choice and having a systems that full fill their language ,culture national identity etc…,there fore all Kurds asking is about to have say in their future not by Turks nor by anyone is simple and logical human instinct, we always welcome Turks to put peaceful referendum which is monitored by international community in place to ask Kurds what they want!! War and bloodshed against defenseless Kurds and deny their rights, their language their culture, their identity etc.. never have been answer, and will never solve anything.

Dear Turkish Blood suckers!!, tell your general the biggest weapon today Kurds have and will destroy Turkey in pieces is “ Weapon OF Communication”, Kurds Are talking, Even your junta’s Allies now much aware of the situation of Kurds inside occupier land(Northern Kurdistan), world getting info. About Kurds day by day as well as their cause, you can sit there and call us what ever you like. The biggest worry of your general is young Kurdish peoples like us who screaming to outside world.
Make No Mistake! We are not here to educate or lecture Turks, we already have enough brave young Men and Women in front line, we are the messengers!!!! And The God of Kurdistan is above us, we see the lights, we see the future. Freedom is the human very basic instinct, anyone would die for it, and no cause can not be greater than that, and is always has been reality as history of mankind shown. Therefore when we say freedom to Kurdistan, it is our identity. it is our country , it is our freedom ,and it is it reshaping as we speaking!!!


heyy we are not calling Kurdish people as slaves, you re slaves, supporter of PKK, PKK is a terrorist group and supporting Marksizm ideas, but Kurds in Turkiye are totally Muslim and we pray together, because we are all brothers, dont say pkk is supporting kurdish people, get out slaves, nobody believes you...

[gloin]

shut up man, you re not Kurdish, you re slave and also terrorists...

[Türk_kürdü]

we are here in Kurdistan and you know that better than anybody else. PKK as a Kurdish freedom fighter they follow Kurdish strategy as 1000s years back Kurds defenced themselves. if it was turks instead of Kurds be sure that now you only could find thier bones but Kurds are more strong ( in logic and in strategy ) because in 2700 years back till now there is a war to terminate Kurds but of course it is very difficult for them ( turks, arabs, iranian ) to eat this morsel. we Kurds for our rights and we will achieve them nobody can stop us not even sheep dogs.even I know that you are a turk. okay you wrote that turkish have 3 army they spend lots of money for army and bla bla bla but my question is that why for army and war? why they don't spend these amount of money for making a peaceful turkey that on that Kurds also have thier rights??? why ?? turks even they cannot accept that there is Kurd but no problem we Kurds will show them that they are in a wrong way we have one army we Kurdish people pay our money for PKK we will join it and if our enemies don't want to accept our rights and they only think about war and how they can terminate Kurds then we will defece Kurds and don't give damn that what other will say about us we are Freedom Fighters.

think about a Peaceful turkey, think about why you cannot accept it and solve them and accept it cuz it is the only way that can keep Kurds to stay with turkey. Kurds only want thier RIGHTS.

LONG LIVE PEACE

I'm Kurdish (zaza) And I'm Turkish, I'm from Gaziantep. You don't understand it at all!!!! If you want peace, you must stop bombing Antalya, stop killing tourists, childeren and woman. PKK is a terrorist organizasion, just like Kadek and the other orgranizations.

If there was not such a trheth like terror then the Turks din't need to spend monney for his army.. If you wan't to keep your borders you must create a great army and spend a lot of monney in it.

That is the point that you don't understand or you don't wanto understand it at all.

[diyako]

Attention please!!

To all Kurds and other friends in the forum
Some desperate Turks, in here in forum using some kind Kurdish nick name such as Türk_kürdü, and that is Turkish propaganda to drive out Kurds from thire rights. what a shame !! what a pitty!!what a scam!!! i feel sorry for thire Stupidly , they know well that country which has been build based on denial of kurdish nation is soon or later will fall apart , this is thire last disparate attempts.

however I hope you guys in forum realize that no Kurds ever deny themselves as blong to Kurdish nation(for some fool Turk, their definition of Kurds is just a stay as word” Kurd" , and have to be turkishnized, still hard for them to swallow, that Kurds are greatest nation and have full right to determine their own destiny). we Kurds may have a different ideology like any other nation (some may belong to different parties PKK,PWDK,PSK ,KDP, YNK..etc, or may b a Islamic , communist ,capitalist etc..).But at end our aims are all the same, is Kurdish nation ultimate freedom.
So please ignore this cheap, useless Turks who using Mask under Kurdish nick.

[Mir Khush Jan Zehri]

The Baloch Nation is most expolited nation of the world and the political division of boundries of Balochistan caused lot of suffering for Baloch nation. The Pro-Taliban Govt of Pakistan has never agreed to give their due share in natural resources to Baloch people. During the recent days the killing of vetran tribal Leader Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti is in front of all the nations. The militry agencies used those wepons against Baloch Nationlist which were supplied them to counter the terriorist but the Talibans are living free in Waziristan and Paki Govt made a peace agreement with them and they are busy in Afghanistan. We Baloch people are totally agree with author and will support this but westen side of Karachi is aloso Baloch area this must also included in Free Balochistan.

[Kurdistan_Serok]

know I found that you are really don't know what is the truth or you know but you don't want to understand them. who stoped the war for 5 years for pease? if you don't know the answer let me you it was PKK, who always talk about peace and stoping the war? once again PKK not the turkish terrorist goverments, now I discover new thing on you that you are really a turk not a Kurd cuz Kurds never say something stupid like I am Kurdish,I am turkish what a stupid thing. how can someone be both and cann't accept one of them????:confused: you turks always will do this things but no problem cuz everybody knows that you are ugly cheater !!! Kurds never refuse their nation with their history ( more than 4000 years ) but you turks, what you have? from where you came to this part of the world? you will have Kurdish culture and will say turkish funny cuz nowadays everybody knows that from where turkish could achieve such a Wealthy culture. you will use Kurdish Music, Kurdish national dress, Kurdish Dance,.. etc. so now I wanna tell you don't shame say that you are a turk cuz with just saying that I am Kurd nobody will accept cuz for you to be Kurdish you should have powerful logic and a respect to other nations which you don't have both of them even you should have more things which you don't have so we gather that you are a real turk not a Kurd.

don't be a Shamefaced and say that you are a turk;) like me that I always I am saying that I am a Kurd.

By this article every ottoman reader should start packing their last belongings and ride back to mongolia and the land of Djingis Khan.

This is that you should understand that you are mongolian you idiot not anything else

I'm Kurdish (zaza) And I'm Turkish, I'm from Gaziantep. You don't understand it at all!!!! If you want peace, you must stop bombing Antalya, stop killing tourists, childeren and woman. PKK is a terrorist organizasion, just like Kadek and the other orgranizations.

If there was not such a trheth like terror then the Turks din't need to spend monney for his army.. If you wan't to keep your borders you must create a great army and spend a lot of monney in it.

That is the point that you don't understand or you don't wanto understand it at all.

[shiklore1]

thanx for your support my dear friend we baloch expect the same spirit from others if such support continued through out the world then our struggle will inshallah enhance and thoz days wont be far to a get a free greater BALOCHISTAN.
bay tum kiya hal he ,acha he ? me tik hu :D
I know what you mean my friend cuz the same thing situation is there is balochestan of iran. all free people will support these type of movement that make Freedom for people.

Long Live Kurdistan/ Long Live Balochestan

Keep trying for free Balochestan never give up.

[diyako]

Dear Balochi friends;
Kurdish nation fully support your cause, and we as well as international community well aware destruction of your country in hand of Pakistani and Iranians regimes , your cause is very legitimate cause, like Kurdish nation with great history and culture BALOCHISTAN it is unique nation deserve nothing less but fully independent BALOCHISTAN.
The oppressors Régime like Iran and Pakistan, who occupying your land and destroying your language, culture, heritage, and history they soon will fall apart, it just matter of time.

[Türk_kürdü]

http://www.aksiyon.com.tr/resim/595/20.jpg


This peaple are my brothers!!!
Every one of them are KURDS/Turks, this is not propaganda, Your making propaganda!!! You are talking for al of the kurds, don't do that.. I hate kurds like you, your a shame for oure peaple, oure peaple have lived for centuries long with the Turks in peace, you racists!

[Edo]

"Oh, and one other dirty little secret from 5,000 years of history: Ethnic cleansing works."
How sad that the above sentence was used in the US armed forces journal.
Ethnic cleansing works if good people like Mr Ralph Peters accept it.

There are many shortcomings with Mr Peter's article.
#1 It legitimizes ethnic cleansing. Specially the ethnic cleansing of the Armenians by the Turks.
#2 It does not comprehend the historical and geopolitical concerns of the region. Many of the same people that live inside various countries cannot unite and create a homogeneous society. There will be multiple civil wars in the region and rise in instability. Baluch in Iran cannot live with Baluch in Pakistan and the same is true for the Azeris, Kurds and Arab Shiats.
#3 In the proposed map Armenia and Kurdistan will be suffocated by their neighboring countries. There is already a blockade on Armenia imposed by Turkey and Azerbaijan. The same scenario will exist for the Kurds being non-Turk and non-Arab and surrounded by Arabs and Turks.

For the Turks that are posting their comments here; Turkish government and army have destroyed more than thousand Kurdish villages in the eastern Turkey. The Turkish government has tried assimilating Kurds as Turks and even tried changing the scientific names of the local animals to drop any reference to the Armenian or Kurd nouns. Kurds are afraid of expressing their true feelings, because they know what happened to the Armenians.

[diyako]

Türk_kürdü
http://www.aksiyon.com.tr/resim/595/20.jpg


This peaple are my brothers!!!
Every one of them are KURDS/Turks, this is not propaganda, Your making propaganda!!! You are talking for al of the kurds, don't do that.. I hate kurds like you, your a shame for oure peaple, oure peaple have lived for centuries long with the Turks in peace, you racists!


You are really stupid and brainless, in your blind eyes Kurdish means just robot, who have to server Turkish race and do what they have been told, and integrated themselves to the system and re programmed again as they wish to.
if you simply believe human value try figure this very simple logic, Kurds have right like any nation to determine their own destiny, Kurds want to be master of their own and Kurds has always wanted through democratic and peaceful means to achieve that, however everything has been blocked it, or anyone dare to discuses in past harshly prosecuted, killed or disappeared. your Turkish regime, for last century they have mislead their own peoples about reality of Kurdish and they hide everything about how they betray Kurdish nation , what kind brother hood this can, nearly 5000 village, has been destroyed , thousands our men and women has been slutering like animals ???,
After all ,we have nothing against Turkish peoples if they leave us alone we may forget the past injustice as our nation is very peaceful and forgiving nation., Today my peoples in Northern Kurdistan( so called eastern Turkey) under name of brother hood they have been denied from basic right, forcibly they have been assimilated , our rights has been denied ,our language, our history, our culture etc,… has been banned ,even our colors, any think that smells Kurdish has been banned(who is racist here??? dumb ass)., that much , oppression, destruction, mass murdering, by Turkish Junta for last 100 years, and you still calling us racist, you system of denial of existence of Kurds finally will make each Kurds like iron fist , and they will berry criminal like you alive in Kurdistan.
There is nothing and no power can stopped Kurdish nation will, no force can stop thire destiny, until Turks don’t come to that realization the would never be neither peace nor co called fake brotherhood.

[Kurdistan_Serok]

I shocked !!!! what a stupid guy ( turk_kurdu ) he just linked an image and he said that all of them my brothers ( he means they are Kurds ) !!! of course they are your racist brothers ( they made a Dog head ) cuz you guys have one symbol dog head. cuz you turks are dogs and wants to show it to everybody. but let me tell you that we Kurds are not dog ( except sheep dogs like you that you will say you are Kurd) we are the son of Kurdistan Mountains we are Lions of this Region (Kurdistan). you turks even don't know how to lie but you always lie ( stupid lies that nobody believes them) be aware when you talk with people don't lie and be a good baby. you turk (what a bad word ) hahaha you turk.( it is a very bad word in iran when they call you turk, you can ask iranian );)
I am waiting to face another bullshit you stupids(turks).
make another plan for changing the real things. I am awake.:cool:
http://www.aksiyon.com.tr/resim/595/20.jpg


This peaple are my brothers!!!
Every one of them are KURDS/Turks, this is not propaganda, Your making propaganda!!! You are talking for al of the kurds, don't do that.. I hate kurds like you, your a shame for oure peaple, oure peaple have lived for centuries long with the Turks in peace, you racists!

[Kurdistan_Serok]

you said:Baluch in Iran cannot live with Baluch in Pakistan and the same is true for the Azeris, Kurds and Arab Shiats.
if you mean that Kurds of Kurdistan cannot live together it is completely wrong dude. it means our try for making Kurdistan meaningless, and we try for nothing ? Kurd is Kurd anywhere in the world, there is no any different between the Kurds of Kurdistan we have same language ( Kurdish ) our land is one ( Kurdistan ), our culture is same (Kurdish culture which is in use by other nations also like turks and arabs but with their label but all of them is Kurdish culture), our new year is same Kurdish New Year ( Newroz ) etc. so I think you are wrong.;)
regards,
Serok

"Oh, and one other dirty little secret from 5,000 years of history: Ethnic cleansing works."
How sad that the above sentence was used in the US armed forces journal.
Ethnic cleansing works if good people like Mr Ralph Peters accept it.

There are many shortcomings with Mr Peter's article.
#1 It legitimizes ethnic cleansing. Specially the ethnic cleansing of the Armenians by the Turks.
#2 It does not comprehend the historical and geopolitical concerns of the region. Many of the same people that live inside various countries cannot unite and create a homogeneous society. There will be multiple civil wars in the region and rise in instability. Baluch in Iran cannot live with Baluch in Pakistan and the same is true for the Azeris, Kurds and Arab Shiats.
#3 In the proposed map Armenia and Kurdistan will be suffocated by their neighboring countries. There is already a blockade on Armenia imposed by Turkey and Azerbaijan. The same scenario will exist for the Kurds being non-Turk and non-Arab and surrounded by Arabs and Turks.

For the Turks that are posting their comments here; Turkish government and army have destroyed more than thousand Kurdish villages in the eastern Turkey. The Turkish government has tried assimilating Kurds as Turks and even tried changing the scientific names of the local animals to drop any reference to the Armenian or Kurd nouns. Kurds are afraid of expressing their true feelings, because they know what happened to the Armenians.

[Edo]

Throughout Kurdish history, various governments have used Kurds against each other due to their tribes and their faiths. This has occurred in the recent history also. The Ottoman empire, the present Turkish, Iranian and Iraqi governments have all set different Kurdish tribes against each other. It is only today that in the northern Iraq a semi-independent centralized Kurdish government exists. Its continuity depends on Kurdish unity, but one must not ignore the past. Kurdistan_Serok, I am not wrong, history repeats itself if it is ignored.

[Türk_kürdü]

You are all stupid, your racists..

IAM a Kurdish TURK!!! You just don't understand it! I love Turks en they love me, they are my brothers, I know Kurdish peaple that have surved in the Turkish army and they have fighted in east-Turkey against terrorism, they are olso saying that They are Kurdish_Turks, and they are proud. I'm gonne serve in the army over 4 month's hopefully I can go to the east to fight against PKK-terrorism.

[Türk_kürdü]

you said:Baluch in Iran cannot live with Baluch in Pakistan and the same is true for the Azeris, Kurds and Arab Shiats.
if you mean that Kurds of Kurdistan cannot live together it is completely wrong dude. it means our try for making Kurdistan meaningless, and we try for nothing ? Kurd is Kurd anywhere in the world, there is no any different between the Kurds of Kurdistan we have same language ( Kurdish ) our land is one ( Kurdistan ), our culture is same (Kurdish culture which is in use by other nations also like turks and arabs but with their label but all of them is Kurdish culture), our new year is same Kurdish New Year ( Newroz ) etc. so I think you are wrong.;)
regards,
Serok

You mean Zaza, Kurmanci, Sorani.. ect.ect

A kurt from Gazi-ANtep doesn't understand a kurt from Agri, Irak and Turkish kurts don't understand eachother.

They're language doesn't match,we have many languages don't say that there is one kurdish.

[Kurdistan_Serok]

I am agree with you dude and I am very happey that there are some people that will discuss with logic. yes it is true that something happened in the history and of course there was some reasons. first because of Islam or benefit of tribes there was not a union among Kurds. but now our knowledge is based on history. nowadays Kurdish people cannot accept one Kurdish part because of its benefit, close its eye on Kurds benefits. Kurdish people are awake and they know their history better than anybody else and now Kurds are using the most new technologies in the world and this will make them feel that they are near to each other.whenever Kurds forget their history they will lose this game we know that. thanks dude for reminding this thing.

Throughout Kurdish history, various governments have used Kurds against each other due to their tribes and their faiths. This has occurred in the recent history also. The Ottoman empire, the present Turkish, Iranian and Iraqi governments have all set different Kurdish tribes against each other. It is only today that in the northern Iraq a semi-independent centralized Kurdish government exists. Its continuity depends on Kurdish unity, but one must not ignore the past. Kurdistan_Serok, I am not wrong, history repeats itself if it is ignored.

[Kurdistan_Serok]

There is only one language and of course it is Kurdish and because it is a very rich language it has lots of accents as you said Zaza, Kurmanci, Sorani, Lori, Kelhori, (Main Historical Accent ) Hewrami (Orami),Behdini ,... etc.
and of course they undrestand each other.;) Language is different from accent. by the way all of them will Call themselves Kurdish and from Kurdistan.

You mean Zaza, Kurmanci, Sorani.. ect.ect

A kurt from Gazi-ANtep doesn't understand a kurt from Agri, Irak and Turkish kurts don't understand eachother.

They're language doesn't match,we have many languages don't say that there is one kurdish.

[Türk_kürdü]

Li Ciya Zinar Ezmanan Xînim

Tell me, what does this mean...

If your a Kurt from Turkey you can maybe say it to me what this means and if you know your culture you can say to me what it is, I mean what kind of text it is.

And don't go to other site's for translatyon, DURUST OL!

[Türk_kürdü]

I am agree with you dude and I am very happey that there are some people that will discuss with logic. yes it is true that something happened in the history and of course there was some reasons. first because of Islam or benefit of tribes there was not a union among Kurds. but now our knowledge is based on history. nowadays Kurdish people cannot accept one Kurdish part because of its benefit, close its eye on Kurds benefits. Kurdish people are awake and they know their history better than anybody else and now Kurds are using the most new technologies in the world and this will make them feel that they are near to each other.whenever Kurds forget their history they will lose this game we know that. thanks dude for reminding this thing.

You are a big lyer, or you're brainwashed with PKK propaganda, Northern- Irak doesn't have anything, they don't have basic needs such as food or anything like that.
If you're talking about East Turkey, Turkey din't spend monney in his eastern terrirories it is not modern. Only gaziantep is modern and that is a Turkish city not Kurdish, I will never give up my homecity. The French army had in the first world war not a chanse against the Turksih peaple, Gazi-Antep is the only city in Anatolia that din't need the help of the army to free himself from the French army, the peaple have figthed.

$ahin bey, kara yillan, $ehit Kamil are hero's of Gaziantep, if something happens more hero's will stand up and they will show those ****ing terrorist what theyre mayed of.

The Turks have ruled the world, and you can't even make one nation ...

One nation in your WHOLE HISTORY OF 5000 YEARS!!!, Your peaple lived ever single year of his existence under the rules of PErzie, Macadonie ore the OTTOMAN Turks!!! The kurdish peaple is a peaple that only wan't live and let live. They don't harm anybody if they're not harmed.

OUre peaple, Kurdish peaple is now a part of the Turkish peaple, we fitt perfecty in each other. You kurds from other regions doesn't understand it.

My big sister told a few things to me, she lives in Diyarbakir, They are living in little Towns, Kurdish PKK comes of the mountains and they wan't shellture, if they say no they are traders and they will be killed by terrorist, if they say yess thay will be killed by the Turkish army beacause they're helping terrorist. They live every single day in horror, and the only thing that day realy wan't is to LIVE!!! Kurdish peaple is not interested in war, war make's peaple die they suffer! They can't find food, they are afraid to go out.

It is realy sad, thanks to god nobody has seen it that they've helped terrorist, otherwise my sister was now dead or in prisson because of the ****ing PKK.

You don't understand it, your just a little boy that is talking behind his personnal computer...

[diyako]

$ahin bey, kara yillan, $ehit Kamil are hero's of Gaziantep, if something happens more hero's will stand up and they will show those ****ing terrorist what theyre mayed of.

The Turks have ruled the world, and you can't even make one nation ...


Finally speaking of language of truths, this poor ,bustard Turk, live in Kurdistan, eating Kurdish blood, well you will be soon kick out Kurdistan!!! Gazientep is Kurdistan city and will always remain as kurdistani, you don’t like it, you better move to Ankara, build your house front AttaTurk statute, it may bring you some luck.

[Türk_kürdü]

Finally speaking of language of truths, this poor ,bustard Turk, live in Kurdistan, eating Kurdish blood, well you will be soon kick out Kurdistan!!! Gazientep is Kurdistan city and will always remain as kurdistani, you don’t like it, you better move to Ankara, build your house front AttaTurk statute, it may bring you some luck.

Gaziantep is Turkish, and it wil remain Turkish, Just like Sahin bey sad the the French army, OVER MY DEAD BODY!!!!

First you need to kill ME, and thousends other's, and hehe you need to kill me before I KILL YOU AND PEALPLE LIKE YOU,

DEmn what do I hate TERRORIST and his SEMPATHISANTS!!!

NE MUTLU TURKUM DIYENE!!!

You're brains works in the wrong term, you can't understand a ****ing thing about it!
This issue is just to complex for your ****ing brains, go to your Kurdistan that does't excist,
I'm eating Turkish bread, I'm not gonna trade the place where I'm getting my bread, if you trade than it's your problem.

You ****ing racists, Turk haters...

[Kurdistan_Serok]

no need to kill you we will take you turks kick your asses even you cannot understand what time you kicked from Kurdistan by the way If it will be nessecary, we will kill milllions of you bastards. as you can see everyday some bastards are sent to the hell by Angels of PKK. attack then you will pay for it you dumb you are the slave of turkish racist or better to say you are a sheep dog for turks, even I know that you are turk. you want to ramain with turks? okay remain but you should go turkey not in Kurdistan.
I am Kurd of Rojhelat of Kurdistan.
for Kurdish people in this forum
Hewalnu az Kurde Rojhelatim. az be zaraweya Sorani axaftin dikem ( Kirmanci Jeru ) belam az Kirmanci ji fam dikem
min Kurdi Rojhelati Kurdistanim u be zarawey sorani Qise dekem belam Kirmanci$ tedegem.

for all Kurds: don't answer the turk_kurdu he is a bastard turk and answering him is only wastage of time.
Feqet Rastiyekan binusim u waqiyeta Kurdan be xelik binasinin

Biji Kurd u Kurdistan , Biji Serok APO , mergu neman u nisti bu turkiyey fa$isti.
Gaziantep is Turkish, and it wil remain Turkish, Just like Sahin bey sad the the French army, OVER MY DEAD BODY!!!!

First you need to kill ME, and thousends other's, and hehe you need to kill me before I KILL YOU AND PEALPLE LIKE YOU,

DEmn what do I hate TERRORIST and his SEMPATHISANTS!!!

NE MUTLU TURKUM DIYENE!!!

You're brains works in the wrong term, you can't understand a ****ing thing about it!
This issue is just to complex for your ****ing brains, go to your Kurdistan that does't excist,
I'm eating Turkish bread, I'm not gonna trade the place where I'm getting my bread, if you trade than it's your problem.

You ****ing racists, Turk haters...

[Türk_kürdü]

no need to kill you we will take you turks kick your asses even you cannot understand what time you kicked from Kurdistan by the way If it will be nessecary, we will kill milllions of you bastards. as you can see everyday some bastards are sent to the hell by Angels of PKK. attack then you will pay for it you dumb you are the slave of turkish racist or better to say you are a sheep dog for turks, even I know that you are turk. you want to ramain with turks? okay remain but you should go turkey not in Kurdistan.
I am Kurd of Rojhelat of Kurdistan.
for Kurdish people in this forum
Hewalnu az Kurde Rojhelatim. az be zaraweya Sorani axaftin dikem ( Kirmanci Jeru ) belam az Kirmanci ji fam dikem
min Kurdi Rojhelati Kurdistanim u be zarawey sorani Qise dekem belam Kirmanci$ tedegem.

for all Kurds: don't answer the turk_kurdu he is a bastard turk and answering him is only wastage of time.
Feqet Rastiyekan binusim u waqiyeta Kurdan be xelik binasinin

Biji Kurd u Kurdistan , Biji Serok APO , mergu neman u nisti bu turkiyey fa$isti.

For all of the TURKS on this forum,

Bu itlere cevap vermeyin, orospu cocuklaridir, bende sizin gibi Turkiyeyi seven bir Turk ve Kurtum,


Allah Bizleri korusun ve yuceltsin, Allahin lanetleri ustlerine olsun...

ps: You know I'm right, that's why your chancing tacktiks, If you can't answer don't answer.
Kondir, la kuzi gusgu dagit dm.

Bu arada fa$ist annandir.

[Fitrus]

I don't think that Mr. Ralph Peters has enough knowledge of ME history. Whats US try in Iraq and what is the outcome of this what Israel try in Lebanon and what is the outcome? Division in base of ethnic is possible in other religions but not in shiaism you first study history of past 1400 years and then say something. Independent Kurdistan and Baluchistan is possible but independent shia Iraq is not possible for US and his ally. What is know US policy about Iraq cruch the shia and their maletias, and continous attack on them by US made insurgents.

[bezgin]

Long Live Free Turkmen State in Mousul and Kirkuk.

Freedom to Turkmens in Iraq!

[sardar]

Long Live Free Turkmen State in Mousul and Kirkuk.

Freedom to Turkmens in Iraq!


yes bravo long live turkuman and dont wory for theire freedom caz they have already theire own freedom under kurdish nation flag !!!!
yes for ur info they have own newspapaer radio tv ofcourse !!! but mr bezgin why dont u say freedom for our 20 milion brother in north kurdistan ..? so if ur a human u should say the truth ! well the earth of kerkuk and mosul is belong to kurdistan thats why we never make discosion of this 2 region !!but ofcourse ur free to say anything ...:D

[sardar]

Ms gengiz khan turkish papa:D (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Genghis_Khan.jpg) like Ms kemal ata dogs:D

[patriot]

These borders are not drawn by eauropeons/americans, General Churchill, or by Mr. SERDAR.
As it says in the title, these borders are drawn by BLOOD.
Anybody dares to change it has to bleed to death. I would remind you 1915 Canakkale war (dardannelles), Brits, French, Italy, along with several other great powers of the world lost several hundred thousand lives in canakkale. Still got defeated by turkish army and turkish people who suffered over a million lives, because turks were defending their soil which was theirs for more than 1000 years, after 1071 malazgirt battle. STUDY HISTORY, Anybody who wants to change borders? Go for it, and SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

[bezgin]

For all of the TURKS on this forum,

Bu itlere cevap vermeyin, orospu cocuklaridir, bende sizin gibi Turkiyeyi seven bir Turk ve Kurtum,


Allah Bizleri korusun ve yuceltsin, Allahin lanetleri ustlerine olsun...

ps: You know I'm right, that's why your chancing tacktiks, If you can't answer don't answer.
Kondir, la kuzi gusgu dagit dm.

Bu arada fa$ist annandir.

Brother, god bless you and the Kurdish brothers who are thinking the same way like you. I know that you are tge majority. I don't give a damn about these American provocateur agents. I know they are being paid by America. Like we saw in Kososvo, Bosnia and Chechnia these people are being betrayed with the promise of an imaginary land in the Middle East. How fool they are.

My family is also mixed. Maybe a hundred years ago they didn't even know Turkish. But i love this country, i love its people; Turk or Kurd, muslim or Jewish it doesn't matter. I love everyone except the Racists both from Turkish and Kurdish societies.

Racism is a very bad disease. I know that few Turkish and Kurdish people are suffering from this disease. But if they go on like that they will become another problem for the world and Middle East.

Despite the existance and high influence of American agency we should do our best to stop the blood shed between the brothers.

Yasasin Türkiye, yasasin halklarin kardesligi.

[Türk_kürdü]

Brother, god bless you and the Kurdish brothers who are thinking the same way like you. I know that you are tge majority. I don't give a damn about these American provocateur agents. I know they are being paid by America. Like we saw in Kososvo, Bosnia and Chechnia these people are being betrayed with the promise of an imaginary land in the Middle East. How fool they are.

My family is also mixed. Maybe a hundred years ago they didn't even know Turkish. But i love this country, i love its people; Turk or Kurd, muslim or Jewish it doesn't matter. I love everyone except the Racists both from Turkish and Kurdish societies.

Racism is a very bad disease. I know that few Turkish and Kurdish people are suffering from this disease. But if they go on like that they will become another problem for the world and Middle East.

Despite the existance and high influence of American agency we should do our best to stop the blood shed between the brothers.

Yasasin Türkiye, yasasin halklarin kardesligi.

YA$ASIN TÜRK/KÜRT KARDE$LIGI!!!
Yes YES TO TURKISH AND KURDISH BROTHERS!!

Don't say that your the same ass me, they don't believe it! They're are talking for the whole Kurdish peaple, what they're doing is wrong.

[drljr]

As I look at the various additional posts the underlying ideas that Ralph Peters was discussing are shown in bright lights on the forum. In the 1300 the Mongels not Turks expand their empire from China. The occupied and deported peoples from many areas back to Mongolia. They also "mixed up" a lot of ethnic groups as well. The Mongel armies also practiced a form of "ethnic cleansing". If you opposed their invasion they would exterminate the cities and countries.

Then you have to consider that in the 700 and 800's Arab armies invaded and took over the middle east including Turkey and surronding areas. This is why we have stories of Vampires and Dracula because of Vlad the Impaller who opposed the Arab Islamic armies. Then you have the European Crusades who were in response to the invasion of the Europe by the Arab armies. The Arab armies also invaded Spain.

Before that you had the Roman Empire, Greek Empire, Persian and Babylonian Empires. The Eastern Roman Empire had to deal with a variety of invaders some of who eventually BECAME the KURDS and TURKS. One of the posted has indicated the Kurds can from the North so technically their homeland is not what they are calling Kurdistan but someplace to the North.

Going forward from 1300's you have the Ottoman Empire, and the European Empires. History is a constant migration of people who often kill and engaged in "ethnic cleansing". I suspect that most of the "ethnic" groups have roots that go back no further than the 1300s or the Arab invasions of the 700 and 800s. When people lose an identity they often try to connect with a past regardless of the "correctness". Empires often supress or eliminate ethnic identifies. Even the Soviet Union was an empire that attempted to supress Russian ethnic identities by deportations and population relocations. And Russian, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians are still paying for these actions of the Soviet Union as well as other areas that were under the control of the Soviet Union.

For instance I am part English, Irish, German, French, Cherokee and most likely Scottish as well. But I do not have a Gaulish hertitage, pre-French/Roman nor a Pic hertitage, which predates the Scottish heritages, even though the current populations of Great Britain, France and Scotland are decendents of these peoples. Most people in the world are a mix of people from different areas and the current cultures are a mix of various cultures. As for the language issues some of the people are bringing up and a proof of culture and ethnic background. I speak English which is the language that has been spoken in the British Isle for at least 1500 years. But I would have a difficult time communicating with some one from that period even though we "speak" the same language. The language of the Middle East was Latin and Greek in the 100's not arabic. So ethnic culture is constantly changing and does not stay static.

People have also mentioned ideas that amount to "torture" and "genocide". As Ralph Peters pointed out many of these ideas and practise have been considered acceptable and normal by EVERYONE. It is only since the end of World War II and the ascendency of the U.S.A. as a true world power that many of these practises have been considered "wrong". In fact much of the current problems, not all, in the Middle East have roots in the racial policies of Nazi Germany. This is one reason the article was so interesting. Nazi Germany worked to actively inflame racial and ethnic discord in "peoples" they considered inferior. Image how the map would look if Nazi Germany had won World War II. They killed 6 million Jews (the Nazi's kept excellent records) but they also killed 6 million people of other ethnic groups (from Eastern Europeans) as well.

Many of the racial and ethnic issues were supressed by the various Empires and with the "openness" of the current world culture the ability to express ideas and to discuss them has revealed the refusal of people to choose to get along with each other. Can the "Kurds" and "Turks" get along with each other. Of course they can. Can other ethnic groups get along with other ethnic groups. Yes they can. Even with the current borders. That is if they choose to get along. In the Balkans hatred go back to the invasions of the Ottoman empire and the invasion of the Arab armies. But even there people are begining to get along with each other.

So here are some questions

What or who is a Kurd and what or who is a Turk? Is it decided by language, location of birth or some other criteria?

What is ethnicity? Is the color of one skins, facial features or some other criteria?

What is a hate crime - i.e. a "race" or religious based crime - and should crime and punishment even be decided by "race".

If people choose to get along they can but changing borders will not solve the world problems because the problem is people not borders.

[Asmat Khan]

You have chose to give Afghanistans Herat area to Iran, but if you study the area and population, you will see that the majority of the people in the area are Pashtun (Afghans) and there are Pashtuns indside Iran. In order to be convinced please look at an Ethnolinguistic map of Afghanista. So Herat area belongs to Afghanistan since the majority of population are Pashtuns.

Sincerly Asmat Khan

[diyako]

Originally Posted by Türk_kürdü
Gaziantep is Turkish, and it wil remain Turkish, Just like Sahin bey sad the the French army, OVER MY DEAD BODY!!!!

First you need to kill ME, and thousends other's, and hehe you need to kill me before I KILL YOU AND PEALPLE LIKE YOU,

DEmn what do I hate TERRORIST and his SEMPATHISANTS!!!

NE MUTLU TURKUM DIYENE!!!

You're brains works in the wrong term, you can't understand a ****ing thing about it!
This issue is just to complex for your ****ing brains, go to your Kurdistan that does't excist,
I'm eating Turkish bread, I'm not gonna trade the place where I'm getting my bread, if you trade than it's your problem.

You ****ing racists, Turk haters...
For all of the TURKS on this forum,

Bu itlere cevap vermeyin, orospu cocuklaridir, bende sizin gibi Turkiyeyi seven bir Turk ve Kurtum,


Allah Bizleri korusun ve yuceltsin, Allahin lanetleri ustlerine olsun...

ps: You know I'm right, that's why your chancing tacktiks, If you can't answer don't answer.
Kondir, la kuzi gusgu dagit dm.

Bu arada fa$ist annandir.



I knew you a Turkish bitch all the way from binging; no Kurds ever talk like a brainless person like you! I can smell kurdishness millions miles away!! You poor bastered Turk!! Kurdish blood sucker!! Staying inside Kurdistan and denying them like ever existed.
I suggests you go learn and educate yourself especially in area of so called boderhood?? What it is means and how it converge, as well as, terrorism? Separatism? Freedom fighter? loolk all this learn and then comment in forum, you totally make rest of your countrymen (Turks) in forum like idiots and brainless, it is just laughable.

[diyako]

bezgin Quote:
Originally Posted by Türk_kürdü
For all of the TURKS on this forum,

Bu itlere cevap vermeyin, orospu cocuklaridir, bende sizin gibi Turkiyeyi seven bir Turk ve Kurtum,


Allah Bizleri korusun ve yuceltsin, Allahin lanetleri ustlerine olsun...

ps: You know I'm right, that's why your chancing tacktiks, If you can't answer don't answer.
Kondir, la kuzi gusgu dagit dm.

Bu arada fa$ist annandir.


Brother, god bless you and the Kurdish brothers who are thinking the same way like you. I know that you are tge majority. I don't give a damn about these American provocateur agents. I know they are being paid by America. Like we saw in Kososvo, Bosnia and Chechnia these people are being betrayed with the promise of an imaginary land in the Middle East. How fool they are.

My family is also mixed. Maybe a hundred years ago they didn't even know Turkish. But i love this country, i love its people; Turk or Kurd, muslim or Jewish it doesn't matter. I love everyone except the Racists both from Turkish and Kurdish societies.

Racism is a very bad disease. I know that few Turkish and Kurdish people are suffering from this disease. But if they go on like that they will become another problem for the world and Middle East.

Despite the existance and high influence of American agency we should do our best to stop the blood shed between the brothers.

Yasasin Türkiye, yasasin halklarin kardesligi.


Majority, well speaking of Majority, why don’t try find that out, I give very simple and logical solution as I have give over and over, you all Turks are silence about it, , well bring it on why if you are so cleaver enough why not agree with me this point to find out your majority, if you believe equality brotherhood what ever you called, let put peaceful referendum in northern Kurdistan(so called eastern turkey) so to find out the come what ever it will be , will of peoples shall be fully respected, I ready for it?? Tell peoples in forum are You ready and agree to it? Is very simple question and straight forward!!!


Racist!! See how stupid are you event know what that means?? Kurds don’t deny Turks, neither denying their rights, their languages, their culture etc..? , nor denying their homeland? How about Turks? Who is racist here??

[bezgin]

Hey idiot terrorist, American agent,

Our Kurdish brothers proved it again and again in every election giving the Kurdish Racism Party only 2 million votes.

In your face bit*h. Don't try to manipulate people here. We all know you are USA agents.

[bezgin]

I forgot to mention it.

Less than 2 million votes!

[blackkartal]

:D
diyako I see you have changed your language in your postings??? when you understand that you are gonna be a looser you panicked and started barking loudly, I suppose:D Shame on you...be careful if you loose your control you won't be get paid....! And ,it will be no good for you since your are making your living by being a traitor!..

You are still talking about referandum??? You know democratic referandum won't work in that part of the world! I am sure..if there is a referandum, you and your asshole agent friends will work very hard to set up the voting results...so dont think everybody is idiot...
There will not be referandum or whatso ever!! you will learn or someone will teach you to leave in peace in TURKISH BORDERS!! Ok...inexperienced agent, diyako:D :D
Majority, well speaking of Majority, why don’t try find that out, I give very simple and logical solution as I have give over and over, you all Turks are silence about it, , well bring it on why if you are so cleaver enough why not agree with me this point to find out your majority, if you believe equality brotherhood what ever you called, let put peaceful referendum in northern Kurdistan(so called eastern turkey) so to find out the come what ever it will be , will of peoples shall be fully respected, I ready for it?? Tell peoples in forum are You ready and agree to it? Is very simple question and straight forward!!!


Racist!! See how stupid are you event know what that means?? Kurds don’t deny Turks, neither denying their rights, their languages, their culture etc..? , nor denying their homeland? How about Turks? Who is racist here??

[blackkartal]

:D
diyako I see you have changed your language in your postings??? when you understand that you are gonna be a looser you panicked and started barking loudly, I suppose:D Shame on you...be careful if you loose your control you won't be get paid....! And ,it will be no good for you since your are making your living by being a traitor!..

You are still talking about referandum??? You know democratic referandum won't work in that part of the world! I am sure..if there is a referandum, you and your asshole agent friends will work very hard to set up the voting results...so dont think everybody is idiot...
There will not be referandum or whatso ever!! you will learn or someone will teach you to leave in peace in TURKISH BORDERS!! Ok...inexperienced and poor agent, diyako:D :D
Majority, well speaking of Majority, why don’t try find that out, I give very simple and logical solution as I have give over and over, you all Turks are silence about it, , well bring it on why if you are so cleaver enough why not agree with me this point to find out your majority, if you believe equality brotherhood what ever you called, let put peaceful referendum in northern Kurdistan(so called eastern turkey) so to find out the come what ever it will be , will of peoples shall be fully respected, I ready for it?? Tell peoples in forum are You ready and agree to it? Is very simple question and straight forward!!!


Racist!! See how stupid are you event know what that means?? Kurds don’t deny Turks, neither denying their rights, their languages, their culture etc..? , nor denying their homeland? How about Turks? Who is racist here??

[blackkartal]

Hey ASSHOLE!! DONT WORRY...SOON YOUR ANGELS WILL BE RAPED....AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WITH WHOM YOU ARE DEALING...

WHY YOU START BARKING LIKE YOUR OTHER TRAITOR, AGENT FRIENDS WHEN YOU SEE A NORMAL KURDISH BROTHER???

YOU THOUGHT YOU COULD PROVOKE EVERY KURDISH IN TURKEY?? YOU SILLY IDIOT!! IF YOU TRUST YOUR ROUND ASS, COME AND FIGHT! YOU POOR SON OF A BITHC!!



no need to kill you we will take you turks kick your asses even you cannot understand what time you kicked from Kurdistan by the way If it will be nessecary, we will kill milllions of you bastards. as you can see everyday some bastards are sent to the hell by Angels of PKK. attack then you will pay for it you dumb you are the slave of turkish racist or better to say you are a sheep dog for turks, even I know that you are turk. you want to ramain with turks? okay remain but you should go turkey not in Kurdistan.
I am Kurd of Rojhelat of Kurdistan.
for Kurdish people in this forum
Hewalnu az Kurde Rojhelatim. az be zaraweya Sorani axaftin dikem ( Kirmanci Jeru ) belam az Kirmanci ji fam dikem
min Kurdi Rojhelati Kurdistanim u be zarawey sorani Qise dekem belam Kirmanci$ tedegem.

for all Kurds: don't answer the turk_kurdu he is a bastard turk and answering him is only wastage of time.
Feqet Rastiyekan binusim u waqiyeta Kurdan be xelik binasinin

Biji Kurd u Kurdistan , Biji Serok APO , mergu neman u nisti bu turkiyey fa$isti.

[diyako]

blackkartal
diyako I see you have changed your language in your postings??? when you understand that you are gonna be a looser you panicked and started barking loudly, I suppose Shame on you...be careful if you loose your control you won't be get paid....! And ,it will be no good for you since your are making your living by being a traitor!..

You are still talking about referandum??? You know democratic referandum won't work in that part of the world! I am sure..if there is a referandum, you and your asshole agent friends will work very hard to set up the voting results...so dont think everybody is idiot...
There will not be referandum or whatso ever!! you will learn or someone will teach you to leave in peace in TURKISH BORDERS!! Ok...inexperienced and poor agent, diyako


Well, first well I am not angry at all, but obviously the Turkish mentality is can bring any one man kind mind to boiling point, I just forwarded nice and peaceful gesture that will bring end to this bloody Turkish killing machine, it will bring Kurdish and Turkish community even closer , the only way out everyone knows is let Kurds speak out and determine their own destiny and that is through peaceful referendum, as I assumed you and other Turks,
You said vote fixing how can be such illusion, since you have government and systems and this referendum can be observed by countries which have no interests in this conflict ,what so ever and observe fairly which will be agreed by both parties in conflict (Kurds, Turks), you know surely as I have 100% confident of Kurdistan peoples that out come will bring light to this conflict, and you worry about that. Of course your general never will be agree to such democratic right to stop bloodshed, they enjoying war, killing, drug and human trafficking, and barrowing money from USA and Euro, to buy weapons, while rest Turkish citizen struggling just for sake occupying Kurdish, and killing and sucking Kurdish blood ,, if this war ended, it going to be nightmare for your generals, Turkish society ,will no longer need them., some fool thinking by finishing PKK , Kurds finished, they are mistaken,25 millions Kurds, will re generate hundreds, thousands , more power full parties than PKK.
I just want to see international community to know, that we have always in favor of peaceful resolution to Kurdish conflict, is obviously also clear indication that Kurdistan armed forces have no choice put to defend its nation since Turks only understand force., you guys thinking is like date back to Mongolian invitation, you guys neither believe democracy and peaceful solution to this conflict, only force, which clearly indicate the force has never been solution to Kurdish question, and its also hurting Turkish family harder than ever! so tell you’re your general for sake of you own Turkish peoples , if they think ,they can finish Kurds by force, they have mistaken, he just can learn some advice from his previous producers, which they have tried so hard to finish Kurds, they never succeed, as world today globalize, and this conflict hurt worlds , and it becoming morals as well as political and economical issue, it may have been no interest of world in past to kill Kurds, but today is big concern, is also clear indication you desperate Turks here in American journal crying!!, be sure not body buy8ing your criminal storied against Kurds, because is no longer ones hand Turkey , today world listening to Kurds, as democratic values take place, world want to hear from Kurdish side as well , and to see this bloodshed in more objective way, and that is where, you peoples fear and nightmare desperation come from. So let make it simple , It is no longer in Turkish hand, so Turkish generals the may have last days of their hunting against defenseless Kurdish children, but will soon be over .
And have some manner about USA,, Shame yourself!! Only today the big wall which is blocking Kurds to get independent is USA,USA has been years strong support of Turkey .Sadly for their short term strategic and political gain they have made a lot mistake in past, now USA realizes, that is no end to this bloodshed by force, and they try to help Turkey to put some democratic values in place, USA as super power knows very well no one can stop Kurds from their legitimate right, despite that still USA who feeding you general and your poor peoples by purring billions dollars to your country in military and economic aids so that your poor turkey can stay alive, and still is USA which is keeping Turkey intact, so show your respect, your bagger!! Surly American peoples reading they know their hospitality with such barbarian nation(Turks) has been mistake all the way long. Have a bit manners as least!! If not!! why you peoples here?? Really??. That is very surprising!!, if Kurdistan was free and my peoples was no longer under genocidical ,oppressors and dictators regime such as Turkey, Iran, Syria, Iraq, I wouldn’t be here nor had anything to argue about it!! but everyone curious and wonder ,why you guys here anyway??? Are you guys feeling no longer secure for little Turkey… Surely, it is !!!

[mclarendillon]

Hi All!
I believe that Mr. Ralph (the author) seems to have lost his composure completely alongwith a portion of the mind that helps us think..

Merely, reading few history articles about the people who spoke the same language won't upgrade the author to a level of chief designer of the world's political. there is more to it. however, he may continue to draw WORLD MAP in photoshop if he doesnt like microsoft paint ...

every region has its own geographical charactersitics that are seen in its inhabitants as well.. anyone can observe this plain common sense rule of nature that language of a particular region tends to develop different DIALECTS of its own while the farther you go geographcally from a region the greater effect of change in the dialect or even the entire language would be noticed. Mr. Ralph may like to listen to people of atlanta, and people of NY. He might also like to pay some attention to the Irish accent compared with the local Londeners of the UK. Does that mean there is also a need to break up these countries ?? hunhh ?

I think we all are aware of the role of media in bringing about for us what otherwise would be nearly impossible. Still not so fast ... Mr. Ralph should first solve the White and Black issues in NY before poking out else where..

:-)

Love you all

[Kurdistan_Serok]

of course long live but under Kurdish flag. till they don't wanna do anything we never force them, cuz we(Kurds) are a democratic nation not like you animals that only know barking like a wild dog ( I think you are a dog not like a dog cuz turkish call themselves dog). they have their own freedom in Kurdistan so don't worry about them dog.
Long Live Free Turkmen State in Mousul and Kirkuk.

Freedom to Turkmens in Iraq!

[Kurdistan_Serok]

This turk is a mother****er cuz he wrote that he ****s his mother and sister.Well done asshole actually all the turks are bastards not only YOU;) now you are happy that everybody knows that you guys are nothing more than a bastards
For all of the TURKS on this forum,

Bu itlere cevap vermeyin, orospu cocuklaridir, bende sizin gibi Turkiyeyi seven bir Turk ve Kurtum,


Allah Bizleri korusun ve yuceltsin, Allahin lanetleri ustlerine olsun...

ps: You know I'm right, that's why your chancing tacktiks, If you can't answer don't answer.
Kondir, la kuzi gusgu dagit dm.

Bu arada fa$ist annandir.