Blood borders

[diyako]

You Turks are really dumb and out knowledge, go learn a bit about history from all different perspective then you guys, then come talk to me,. Kurdish nation was there long time before Mongolian(Turks) arrived from north of china,, Kurd have never accepted anything, since its foundation there has never been voluntary union in betweens Turks and Kurds up to now. Always has been force, assimilation mass killing nothing else!!, every thing since Turkish republic foundation until now has been lies and misleading, go read about Turkish history in different perspective not just from Ataturk’s schools!!
I also have a lot good Turkish friend and I regret for my language, you propaganda machine put you in imaginary thinking, everyone in this forums know you Turks sensitivity in Kurdish issues is clear of desperation and hopelessness, because Kurdish nation is rising once again, why you guys here tell me!! If your country so secure so democratic, why you barking like dogs!! What is scaring you!!!…

The important things is all you talk about ottoman, empire this and that who proud, is totally paranoid , it is imaginary things, there is no question , that there was a ottoman empire with multi confederation which was include Kurdistan, even in ottoman empire maps(not the one made up after republic) you can see clearly Kurdistan, and whole Kurdistan was running by Kurdish governor as same like Greeks, Arabs states, under ottoman rules, all this governors’ had right to succeed after war world one, only Kurdistan remain with Mustafa kemal betrayal and replacing Lozan agreement with server in 1923. Now.

let not fool ourselves, the Kurdish question is international arena and is now concerns world community, you all know that very well, you fools here barking!!!, your little turkey never can handle that any longer. So I guess if you guys have little brains you will understand, what I am talking about!!
Now clearly for forum, and American peoples is great asset to professionally analysis things, you Turks seen losing controls bring everything from every corners and mixing them up.
Non of you Turks in this forum understand the problem that you country facing, of course you all saying is some Kurdish terrorist and we kill them all , and we heard that , it been 85 years you guys doing that, have you finished, there is still 25 millions left. So kill them all proud yourself!!!

So my advice to Turks, read history and conflicts’ clearly, in every side, with all different perspective, analysis thing objectively, put you emotional away. Because is your weakness it shows you losing which s mean you have been wrong all the way , to understand well, and be objectives, this place is not about heroism, because that time is over, you guys been watching too much Turkish TV, The Learning mechanism has changed, , adopt yourself to new world, it will bring good for Turks, learn tolerance, make sure knowing something before talking about!!
Open your eyes Turkish friends, every one knows enough who Kurds are, is shame for you , that you don’t know that is bring no good your country men at all.
Stop been ignorance, stop talking about imperialist, and all these crabs, turkey itself is worst racist country in whole plant earth by denying very basic and fundamental Kurdish rights . There is no country have fascism law as such, , as I have said you guys should know well who keeping turkey intact until now!!
Kurds also like other nation looking for strategic friends, more importantly if is freedom voice, always part of it.
Now as I have said you guys no need be here actually, let say everything so cool according to some of you, if you guys so well stability country and well democratic system and proud yourself, what is scaring you!!! Why you been in American army journal shall I put according you guys listening couple Kurdish cry!!! Well is obvious, there is big hole in there you all know it, whole world know it, and that cant big fixed with out involving Kurds. I would like to talk things based of reality in ground.
Therefore, if in here start barking you losing it, but I don’t have anything to lose!! Because I am already victim, and anything you guys saying is in my advantage, which shows that Kurds are peace loving nation, determined to choose their own future by themselves with any cause, all this propaganda from you guys wouldn’t bring anything good for turkey. remember any words about Kurd which spell out to world is in my nation advantage, and that is already Turkish government big night mare, they beeen hiding Kurds for 85 years, will history it rewrite itself now, our aims is to be heard, I wonder really do you guys like to be heard to??:!! Is funny, is desperate attempt, because turkey living in it last moment.
Kurds do not claim any one any countries land, Kurdish land is land where today Kurdish population are most majority, and that’s common sense even little kids can understand that, We don’t go back history of our empire claims place which we been 2000 years ago no.
We are talking the reality on ground, the land that right now Kurds living and they like to be governing themselves, and educated themselves with their own languages and have their own political and economical systems in their own hand.

You all should know Kurdish question will never solved by military and force, and already proven, it get stronger sand stronger day by day, it doesn’t now go anywhere and will put your country in eventually if continue like this by your military regime, will eventually bring your country to several pieces
IF you guys think I am propaganda or liar, well tell people here in forum!!! One simple question I would like see with simple answer!!! Who is in favors Referendum in Kurdistan (so called eastern turkey)???
Let ask peoples in region what they want, if you peoples so democratic , the you guys have to be agree on this, and that is will determine outcome once for all, we are confident!! Are you???

If you guys believing of civil and democratic society it should be very fair, with no valiance nor killing!!

[chatin]

You Turks are really dumb and out knowledge, go learn a bit about history from all different perspective then you guys, then come talk to me,. Kurdish nation was there long time before Mongolian(Turks) arrived from north of china,, Kurd have never accepted anything, since its foundation there has never been voluntary union in betweens Turks and Kurds up to now. Always has been force, assimilation mass killing nothing else!!, every thing since Turkish republic foundation until now has been lies and misleading, go read about Turkish history in different perspective not just from Ataturk’s schools!!
I also have a lot good Turkish friend and I regret for my language, you propaganda machine put you in imaginary thinking, everyone in this forums know you Turks sensitivity in Kurdish issues is clear of desperation and hopelessness, because Kurdish nation is rising once again, why you guys here tell me!! If your country so secure so democratic, why you barking like dogs!! What is scaring you!!!…

The important things is all you talk about ottoman, empire this and that who proud, is totally paranoid , it is imaginary things, there is no question , that there was a ottoman empire with multi confederation which was include Kurdistan, even in ottoman empire maps(not the one made up after republic) you can see clearly Kurdistan, and whole Kurdistan was running by Kurdish governor as same like Greeks, Arabs states, under ottoman rules, all this governors’ had right to succeed after war world one, only Kurdistan remain with Mustafa kemal betrayal and replacing Lozan agreement with server in 1923. Now.

let not fool ourselves, the Kurdish question is international arena and is now concerns world community, you all know that very well, you fools here barking!!!, your little turkey never can handle that any longer. So I guess if you guys have little brains you will understand, what I am talking about!!
Now clearly for forum, and American peoples is great asset to professionally analysis things, you Turks seen losing controls bring everything from every corners and mixing them up.
Non of you Turks in this forum understand the problem that you country facing, of course you all saying is some Kurdish terrorist and we kill them all , and we heard that , it been 85 years you guys doing that, have you finished, there is still 25 millions left. So kill them all proud yourself!!!

So my advice to Turks, read history and conflicts’ clearly, in every side, with all different perspective, analysis thing objectively, put you emotional away. Because is your weakness it shows you losing which s mean you have been wrong all the way , to understand well, and be objectives, this place is not about heroism, because that time is over, you guys been watching too much Turkish TV, The Learning mechanism has changed, , adopt yourself to new world, it will bring good for Turks, learn tolerance, make sure knowing something before talking about!!
Open your eyes Turkish friends, every one knows enough who Kurds are, is shame for you , that you don’t know that is bring no good your country men at all.
Stop been ignorance, stop talking about imperialist, and all these crabs, turkey itself is worst racist country in whole plant earth by denying very basic and fundamental Kurdish rights . There is no country have fascism law as such, , as I have said you guys should know well who keeping turkey intact until now!!
Kurds also like other nation looking for strategic friends, more importantly if is freedom voice, always part of it.
Now as I have said you guys no need be here actually, let say everything so cool according to some of you, if you guys so well stability country and well democratic system and proud yourself, what is scaring you!!! Why you been in American army journal shall I put according you guys listening couple Kurdish cry!!! Well is obvious, there is big hole in there you all know it, whole world know it, and that cant big fixed with out involving Kurds. I would like to talk things based of reality in ground.
Therefore, if in here start barking you losing it, but I don’t have anything to lose!! Because I am already victim, and anything you guys saying is in my advantage, which shows that Kurds are peace loving nation, determined to choose their own future by themselves with any cause, all this propaganda from you guys wouldn’t bring anything good for turkey. remember any words about Kurd which spell out to world is in my nation advantage, and that is already Turkish government big night mare, they beeen hiding Kurds for 85 years, will history it rewrite itself now, our aims is to be heard, I wonder really do you guys like to be heard to??:!! Is funny, is desperate attempt, because turkey living in it last moment.
Kurds do not claim any one any countries land, Kurdish land is land where today Kurdish population are most majority, and that’s common sense even little kids can understand that, We don’t go back history of our empire claims place which we been 2000 years ago no.
We are talking the reality on ground, the land that right now Kurds living and they like to be governing themselves, and educated themselves with their own languages and have their own political and economical systems in their own hand.

You all should know Kurdish question will never solved by military and force, and already proven, it get stronger sand stronger day by day, it doesn’t now go anywhere and will put your country in eventually if continue like this by your military regime, will eventually bring your country to several pieces
IF you guys think I am propaganda or liar, well tell people here in forum!!! One simple question I would like see with simple answer!!! Who is in favors Referendum in Kurdistan (so called eastern turkey)???
Let ask peoples in region what they want, if you peoples so democratic , the you guys have to be agree on this, and that is will determine outcome once for all, we are confident!! Are you???

If you guys believing of civil and democratic society it should be very fair, with no valiance nor killing!!


its absolutely sardar :D can't be more fool one :rolleyes:

[The Turk]

If That Plan Is Good For All Then Lets Start With Dividing The "United States Of America" And Even The "Europian Community".
I Think Nationalistic Independance Is A Bunch Of Bull That One Part Of The World(The United Ones) Inject As Poison To The Rest Of The World So They Stay Divided/week/oppressable/controllable/expolitable.

The Ottomans/turks Had Not Oppressed Any Body Half Much As The British,dutch,german,french,spanish,portugese And The Mighty USA; And They Are Still Oppressing The Rest Of The World Today.

What Happened To Those American Indians, They Still Dont Have An Independent State.
Or Lets Divide Britain So The Welsh, Irish, Scottish, English And Many Others Can Have Independent States.

How About That......;)

[The Turk]

Yes you either are stupid enough not to see the truth or you are a liar.
The Turkish goverment did not respond untill the dump and un-educated poor people of the Kurdish Population in the East of Turkiye were succkered into rebelion to serve the Western Oppression. It was the British that divided the Middle East into managable and un-prosperable chunks. For 70 years the poor KURDS could not prosper because their lifeline was blocked by the border the British put. They put the border there to make sure The Young Turkish Republic along with the ethnic variety that made it a multinational harmonious culture could never get their hands on the OIL. Now the "Civilised Westerners" are willingly killing innocent civillians for that oil and The Kurds are playing along.......

openup your eyes and see the truth or stop poisoning my people.....

[blackkartal]

Diyako you started reposting your old articles :D I think you become laizy to write new ones. But be careful if you dont work well, you will not be paid by your bosses:D

I urge you to write new posts rather than copy paste the old ones:D otherwise, you might be fired!!

take care and keep in touch:D


You Turks are really dumb and out knowledge, go learn a bit about history from all different perspective then you guys, then come talk to me,. Kurdish nation was there long time before Mongolian(Turks) arrived from north of china,, Kurd have never accepted anything, since its foundation there has never been voluntary union in betweens Turks and Kurds up to now. Always has been force, assimilation mass killing nothing else!!, every thing since Turkish republic foundation until now has been lies and misleading, go read about Turkish history in different perspective not just from Ataturk’s schools!!
I also have a lot good Turkish friend and I regret for my language, you propaganda machine put you in imaginary thinking, everyone in this forums know you Turks sensitivity in Kurdish issues is clear of desperation and hopelessness, because Kurdish nation is rising once again, why you guys here tell me!! If your country so secure so democratic, why you barking like dogs!! What is scaring you!!!…

The important things is all you talk about ottoman, empire this and that who proud, is totally paranoid , it is imaginary things, there is no question , that there was a ottoman empire with multi confederation which was include Kurdistan, even in ottoman empire maps(not the one made up after republic) you can see clearly Kurdistan, and whole Kurdistan was running by Kurdish governor as same like Greeks, Arabs states, under ottoman rules, all this governors’ had right to succeed after war world one, only Kurdistan remain with Mustafa kemal betrayal and replacing Lozan agreement with server in 1923. Now.

let not fool ourselves, the Kurdish question is international arena and is now concerns world community, you all know that very well, you fools here barking!!!, your little turkey never can handle that any longer. So I guess if you guys have little brains you will understand, what I am talking about!!
Now clearly for forum, and American peoples is great asset to professionally analysis things, you Turks seen losing controls bring everything from every corners and mixing them up.
Non of you Turks in this forum understand the problem that you country facing, of course you all saying is some Kurdish terrorist and we kill them all , and we heard that , it been 85 years you guys doing that, have you finished, there is still 25 millions left. So kill them all proud yourself!!!

So my advice to Turks, read history and conflicts’ clearly, in every side, with all different perspective, analysis thing objectively, put you emotional away. Because is your weakness it shows you losing which s mean you have been wrong all the way , to understand well, and be objectives, this place is not about heroism, because that time is over, you guys been watching too much Turkish TV, The Learning mechanism has changed, , adopt yourself to new world, it will bring good for Turks, learn tolerance, make sure knowing something before talking about!!
Open your eyes Turkish friends, every one knows enough who Kurds are, is shame for you , that you don’t know that is bring no good your country men at all.
Stop been ignorance, stop talking about imperialist, and all these crabs, turkey itself is worst racist country in whole plant earth by denying very basic and fundamental Kurdish rights . There is no country have fascism law as such, , as I have said you guys should know well who keeping turkey intact until now!!
Kurds also like other nation looking for strategic friends, more importantly if is freedom voice, always part of it.
Now as I have said you guys no need be here actually, let say everything so cool according to some of you, if you guys so well stability country and well democratic system and proud yourself, what is scaring you!!! Why you been in American army journal shall I put according you guys listening couple Kurdish cry!!! Well is obvious, there is big hole in there you all know it, whole world know it, and that cant big fixed with out involving Kurds. I would like to talk things based of reality in ground.
Therefore, if in here start barking you losing it, but I don’t have anything to lose!! Because I am already victim, and anything you guys saying is in my advantage, which shows that Kurds are peace loving nation, determined to choose their own future by themselves with any cause, all this propaganda from you guys wouldn’t bring anything good for turkey. remember any words about Kurd which spell out to world is in my nation advantage, and that is already Turkish government big night mare, they beeen hiding Kurds for 85 years, will history it rewrite itself now, our aims is to be heard, I wonder really do you guys like to be heard to??:!! Is funny, is desperate attempt, because turkey living in it last moment.
Kurds do not claim any one any countries land, Kurdish land is land where today Kurdish population are most majority, and that’s common sense even little kids can understand that, We don’t go back history of our empire claims place which we been 2000 years ago no.
We are talking the reality on ground, the land that right now Kurds living and they like to be governing themselves, and educated themselves with their own languages and have their own political and economical systems in their own hand.

You all should know Kurdish question will never solved by military and force, and already proven, it get stronger sand stronger day by day, it doesn’t now go anywhere and will put your country in eventually if continue like this by your military regime, will eventually bring your country to several pieces
IF you guys think I am propaganda or liar, well tell people here in forum!!! One simple question I would like see with simple answer!!! Who is in favors Referendum in Kurdistan (so called eastern turkey)???
Let ask peoples in region what they want, if you peoples so democratic , the you guys have to be agree on this, and that is will determine outcome once for all, we are confident!! Are you???

If you guys believing of civil and democratic society it should be very fair, with no valiance nor killing!!

[ortac]

bu yavşak editor de bayağı bi prim yaptı bizim sayemizde... baksanıza diger forum konuları bomboş duruyor...
bu adam kesin biz her tıkladıgımızda para da kazanıyordur...

[godfather]

It won't ever happen. Nobody will ever give up on their territories, especially the syrians, the iranians and the saudis.
Coming from the region I'd say that this map is idea and just like communism or democracy which looks only good on papers. Realizing such a map is a river of blood nobody that no single community is ready to handle.
And my reply to the turks would be a simple as the fall of Rome it will never rise back again.

[Kucik]

I am completely stunned by the views of the author. Dividing countries just because they can be controllable in an easier way is one of the least humanistic approaches I have ever seen. Considering the amount of bloodsheds that it might cause in the future, I am sorry to say this, but, it can even be compared to reduce at the level of terrorists (angel-faced terrorists, to be honest).

When the population of Latin American citizens in the southern states will exceed the population of White Americans, and when those states wish to join with Mexico or become independent countries, are you really going to wave your hands in a peaceful way? Or if other countries start sending forces to help those states in their decisions, are you going to swallow that decision with good will? I really don't think so.

If United States had "helped" those countries develop rather than keeping (or forcing) them under the dictate of people like Saddam (just because they were supporting US), none of those problems would have happened in the first place. You want to solve problems by creating more problems. It will not solve problems, it will only increase the amount of problems. Is this really that difficult to see or you prefer not to see at all?

And a note to the author, since he is completely "unaware" of the conditions in Turkey: there is no suppression in Turkey on Kurds that is bigger than what the Spanish people have on Catalans. Just a simple reminder, we have never had any kind of (race based) discrimination in Turkey that is similar to what US had in its history. Any Kurdish person who doesn't use his race to obtain privileges has never been considered as a foreigner. I'd like to remind you only two names who are of Kurdish origin and become the two most important leaders in Turkey after Ataturk, Ismet Inonu and Turgut Ozal. To your knowledge again, the majority of the Kurdish people in Turkey, which you claim to live under the suppression of Turkish army forces, supports obtaining priviliges that will lead to freedom with less than 30%. The results of the democratic elections in Turkey (which is proved to be so by the European observers, again to your knowledge) showed that. The majority of the Kurdish population in Turkey consider themselves as Turkish people (or in a way you like Kurdish-origined Turks). Both races are highly intertwinded with each other, that throughout the history, the Kurds that moved to the western regions of Turkey had started to consider themselves as of Turkish-origined, whereas the middle-asian origined Turks who lived in the eastern regions had started to consider themselves as of Kurdish -origined. You can find highly reliable sources that can prove that. Oh my, stop with that! There is no hell that is worse then what the Kurds are facing in turkey. Turkey, Iran, Syria and Iraq thogether created a terrrorist organisation named PKK. This was done for blaming Kurds being terrorists. The extremist gouverments could also arest any Kurd they wanted and finally have a reason. The PKK almost destroyed Iraqi Kurdistan if it wasnt for America (god bless america:D ). America twisted that bastard Özcallans ear, and told Syria, , Turkey and Iran that they should keep their trash in their own trashcans.

[sardar]

(Kurdish national anthem)

HEY ENEMY !

Hey enemy, the Kurdish nation is alive with its language
Can not be defeated by the weapons of any time
Let no one say Kurds are dead
Kurds are living
Kurds are living, their flag will never fall


We, the youth are the red colour of the revolution
Watch our blood that we shed on this way
Let no one say Kurds are dead
Kurds are living
Kurds are living, their flag will never fall


We are the generation of Medya and Keyhusrew
Both our faith and religion are our homeland
Both our faith and religion are Kurd and Kurdistan
Let no one say Kurds are dead
Kurds are living
Kurds are living, their flag will never fall


The Kurdish youth have risen like lions
To adorn the crown of life with blood
Let no one say Kurds are dead
Kurds are living
Kurds are living, their flag will never fall


The Kurdish youth are ever present and
Forever will be ready to sacrifice their lives
Sacrifice each life they have, each life they have!!!...


WROTED BY DILDAR
.

[ugh]

Sevres Treaty couldn't split up Anatolia and create those puppet states for Western use. Now so called West is coming with another project. They are bound to defeat, because you cannot achieve anything despite the local people. You can buy and run governments, MPs, mayors, etc., but you cannot buy the people. Therefore this map is not going further than a wishful thinking for Anatolia. Turks gained this land with their blood, and will not give up until they lose all their blood.
The only way they gained the land was by shedding other peoples blood (Greeks / Armenians) , not their own. They will continue to shed other people's blood to keep the land. Give me a break :rolleyes:

Bunch of savages

[ugh]

Why do we not talk of GENOCIDE the ARMENIANS inflicted on the TURKS and AZERI'S with the WESTERN HELP?



It disgusts me how much your government and schools have brainwashed you. Maybe you should start reading the history books from other perspectives. The genocide was the other way around. If the Armenians committed genocide on the Turks, why is it that Armenia is so small, and why is it that the Armenian people’s population dropped down so severally? Please tell me this, I am curious as to all the reasons you will come up with that your fine schools have educated you on. Was it maybe some sort of disease in the ethnicity? Or maybe all the millions of people just decided to vanish into thin air one morning. Or maybe they killed themselves? Maybe that’s it...ya... :rolleyes:

[miki]

I haven't read every page after my last post but it seems like everything is in the place i left.

Firstly, people are telling Turkish people to study the History from another perspective. Well, that is the nature of history. It's all about perspectives and the accuracy is always debateble. It is not a science and it cannot be proven most of the time. Why don't you study our point of view in history? Maybe accidentally you can come across a fact that Ottoman Empire and Early Turkey had not been in a long term alliance with another nation. Well, nobody likes the naughty kid in class and when he begins to settle down for a bit every other kid in the class tries to hold him down. And what can you do when that kid did things of grand proportions such as starting 2 new ages?

That's when the effect of propaganda comes into play. Propaganda is a invaluable weapon that can create heroes of ordinary man, or crush an opposition without firing a single shot. History is full of things like this. It is really naive to blame a nation to use it. We use it, you use it and they use it. People living in the country call it nationalism, people on the other side call it brainwashing. Tha anthem you wrote here is propaganda. Roj TV is propaganda . Every word you wrote here about free kurdistan is propaganda. Thing that holds China and North Korea is propaganda. Thing that US is doing for years to assault nations for "freedom and peace" is propaganda. Need I say more?

Back to my thoughts about history: It is really easy to show a nation that did all this as a monster. Every nation has a dark side, each of them made mistakes that they "sometimes" regret in their past. This is what fuels propaganda against these nations. Also, it is the power of propaganda to dig them up, polish them and stick them to our faces.

That concludes my tutorial about propaganda.

So; I suggest you to watch Full Metal Jacket and see what this is all about. It is in a point of view that can be considered as objective as possible to many people. And watch another crap Hollywood war movie. Mind the difference.

As a final note, I want to talk about a member of my family. My great uncle is Kurd, he was born in southeastern Turkey. That makes my cousins Kurds also, I haven't noticed all until this is mentioned in this forum. He became a Judge in the court of law and then he won the elections and represented his hometown in the Turkish parliament for 2 terms. He is now retired and he is one of the most respected members of our family. And when he dies, his coffin will be wrapped with Turkish flag. Now, I can hear you saying that this is all a result of Ataturks schools and bla bla... Well, he was elected to parliament. That gives one a voice that can make a difference. What I tried to tell here is, when you look close you'll see people from different origins in every family, not just Kurds and Turks. That's the way we are.

It would be appropriate to state that you don't represent a race. You represent a terrorist organisation. You represent a point of view. Nothing more.

Note(Edit):We didn't bring peace,freedom and democracy to gooks, nipps and sand-****ers in our past, right? That makes us real savages for just staying there. Damn.

[ortac]

i wonder the response of dear ADMINISTRATOR if somebody ****s her mother in front of his eyes...
i guess the response would be ' oh how big is your dick, come on fill the backhole..'
**** YOU MR. ADMINISTRATOR go home and poison yourself by your ****ing seperative ideas.. you will never win.. you live with your dreams like your dogs.

you ll probably ban me from your ****ing forum... i wont be reading and writing any more... Because the only thing you do is to organize a fight 'TURKIYE vs KURDS' with your little stupid ****ing brain...

Go **** yourself

[celikci]

Well well at last it has come to this great people of USA are now planning to make a playground of their own in the middle east. People should not be STUPİD when they are making plans i mean not MUCH as this. Sons and daughters of Turkish Republic are standing their ground. God help the people who will try to reconstruct our borders or try to realize this silly plan.

[celikci]

The only way they gained the land was by shedding other peoples blood (Greeks / Armenians) , not their own. They will continue to shed other people's blood to keep the land. Give me a break :rolleyes:

Bunch of savages

Why why why

How do you know turkish people are a bunch of savages. Do you know what the Greek army did in İZMİR in WW1 Do you know what the Armenian militia did to turkish villagers near that time. I t is you that must revise the things that you believe PS Also i don't believe that you are my enemy or you are a threat to my existence we are good neighbours living in peace an d i hope it lasts forever.

[Nastiye]

It disgusts me how much your government and schools have brainwashed you. Maybe you should start reading the history books from other perspectives. The genocide was the other way around. If the Armenians committed genocide on the Turks, why is it that Armenia is so small, and why is it that the Armenian people’s population dropped down so severally? Please tell me this, I am curious as to all the reasons you will come up with that your fine schools have educated you on. Was it maybe some sort of disease in the ethnicity? Or maybe all the millions of people just decided to vanish into thin air one morning. Or maybe they killed themselves? Maybe that’s it...ya... :rolleyes:

Let's think it over.There was a war and Armenians were killing Turks and they were to be taken out of Anatolia.

Well,if Turks genocided Armenians,then WHY would they try to protect them on their way,build hospitals for their health?Are they stupid?

You ppl claim a genocide of a nation,millions of ppl,right?But at that time,there even weren't that many Armenians in Anatolia...The amount of dead people(ACCORDING TO REAL REPORTS,NOT WORDS AND SO-HEARD LIES LIKE YOURS) is very normal.Diseases and the atmosphere of war were the reasons.

The Turkish Government have proofs,what do Armenians have?

[Nastiye]

You Turks are really dumb and out knowledge, go learn a bit about history from all different perspective then you guys, then come talk to me,. Kurdish nation was there long time before Mongolian(Turks) arrived from north of china,, Kurd have never accepted anything, since its foundation there has never been voluntary union in betweens Turks and Kurds up to now. Always has been force, assimilation mass killing nothing else!!, every thing since Turkish republic foundation until now has been lies and misleading, go read about Turkish history in different perspective not just from Ataturk’s schools!!
I also have a lot good Turkish friend and I regret for my language, you propaganda machine put you in imaginary thinking, everyone in this forums know you Turks sensitivity in Kurdish issues is clear of desperation and hopelessness, because Kurdish nation is rising once again, why you guys here tell me!! If your country so secure so democratic, why you barking like dogs!! What is scaring you!!!…

The important things is all you talk about ottoman, empire this and that who proud, is totally paranoid , it is imaginary things, there is no question , that there was a ottoman empire with multi confederation which was include Kurdistan, even in ottoman empire maps(not the one made up after republic) you can see clearly Kurdistan, and whole Kurdistan was running by Kurdish governor as same like Greeks, Arabs states, under ottoman rules, all this governors’ had right to succeed after war world one, only Kurdistan remain with Mustafa kemal betrayal and replacing Lozan agreement with server in 1923. Now.

let not fool ourselves, the Kurdish question is international arena and is now concerns world community, you all know that very well, you fools here barking!!!, your little turkey never can handle that any longer. So I guess if you guys have little brains you will understand, what I am talking about!!
Now clearly for forum, and American peoples is great asset to professionally analysis things, you Turks seen losing controls bring everything from every corners and mixing them up.
Non of you Turks in this forum understand the problem that you country facing, of course you all saying is some Kurdish terrorist and we kill them all , and we heard that , it been 85 years you guys doing that, have you finished, there is still 25 millions left. So kill them all proud yourself!!!

So my advice to Turks, read history and conflicts’ clearly, in every side, with all different perspective, analysis thing objectively, put you emotional away. Because is your weakness it shows you losing which s mean you have been wrong all the way , to understand well, and be objectives, this place is not about heroism, because that time is over, you guys been watching too much Turkish TV, The Learning mechanism has changed, , adopt yourself to new world, it will bring good for Turks, learn tolerance, make sure knowing something before talking about!!
Open your eyes Turkish friends, every one knows enough who Kurds are, is shame for you , that you don’t know that is bring no good your country men at all.
Stop been ignorance, stop talking about imperialist, and all these crabs, turkey itself is worst racist country in whole plant earth by denying very basic and fundamental Kurdish rights . There is no country have fascism law as such, , as I have said you guys should know well who keeping turkey intact until now!!
Kurds also like other nation looking for strategic friends, more importantly if is freedom voice, always part of it.
Now as I have said you guys no need be here actually, let say everything so cool according to some of you, if you guys so well stability country and well democratic system and proud yourself, what is scaring you!!! Why you been in American army journal shall I put according you guys listening couple Kurdish cry!!! Well is obvious, there is big hole in there you all know it, whole world know it, and that cant big fixed with out involving Kurds. I would like to talk things based of reality in ground.
Therefore, if in here start barking you losing it, but I don’t have anything to lose!! Because I am already victim, and anything you guys saying is in my advantage, which shows that Kurds are peace loving nation, determined to choose their own future by themselves with any cause, all this propaganda from you guys wouldn’t bring anything good for turkey. remember any words about Kurd which spell out to world is in my nation advantage, and that is already Turkish government big night mare, they beeen hiding Kurds for 85 years, will history it rewrite itself now, our aims is to be heard, I wonder really do you guys like to be heard to??:!! Is funny, is desperate attempt, because turkey living in it last moment.
Kurds do not claim any one any countries land, Kurdish land is land where today Kurdish population are most majority, and that’s common sense even little kids can understand that, We don’t go back history of our empire claims place which we been 2000 years ago no.
We are talking the reality on ground, the land that right now Kurds living and they like to be governing themselves, and educated themselves with their own languages and have their own political and economical systems in their own hand.

You all should know Kurdish question will never solved by military and force, and already proven, it get stronger sand stronger day by day, it doesn’t now go anywhere and will put your country in eventually if continue like this by your military regime, will eventually bring your country to several pieces
IF you guys think I am propaganda or liar, well tell people here in forum!!! One simple question I would like see with simple answer!!! Who is in favors Referendum in Kurdistan (so called eastern turkey)???
Let ask peoples in region what they want, if you peoples so democratic , the you guys have to be agree on this, and that is will determine outcome once for all, we are confident!! Are you???

If you guys believing of civil and democratic society it should be very fair, with no valiance nor killing!!

Oh,Kurds are rising!By killing innocent civil Turks,women and children without any shame?What a rise!Congrats Mr.Terrorist!:confused:

BTW,pls wake up and realize that all those nations who "help" you are using you for their strategies.And stop calling people idiots.Have some honor!

[blackkartal]

:D

DREAAAAMMM DREAM DREAM DREAM DREAAAAAAAMMMM:D (i hop you know that famous song:D )

(Kurdish national anthem)

HEY ENEMY !

Hey enemy, the Kurdish nation is alive with its language
Can not be defeated by the weapons of any time
Let no one say Kurds are dead
Kurds are living
Kurds are living, their flag will never fall


We, the youth are the red colour of the revolution
Watch our blood that we shed on this way
Let no one say Kurds are dead
Kurds are living
Kurds are living, their flag will never fall


We are the generation of Medya and Keyhusrew
Both our faith and religion are our homeland
Both our faith and religion are Kurd and Kurdistan
Let no one say Kurds are dead
Kurds are living
Kurds are living, their flag will never fall


The Kurdish youth have risen like lions
To adorn the crown of life with blood
Let no one say Kurds are dead
Kurds are living
Kurds are living, their flag will never fall


The Kurdish youth are ever present and
Forever will be ready to sacrifice their lives
Sacrifice each life they have, each life they have!!!...


WROTED BY DILDAR
.

[sardar]

when u cant accept me as a human when u cant accept me to stady in my mom language when u cant accept my nation when u cant accept my flag when u cant accept my culture when u cant accept my erth when u cant accept my language
and when u dont belive in dialogs THEN U MUST DIE
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM
OUT RACIST MOGOLISTHATS ALL WHAT WE ARE FIGHTING FOR !

[thanks to God i m turkish]

Hi All Brothers,
In The Past Arabic People Made Mistake Against Ottoman Empire And It Was Mistake So That They Were With Kaffirs..in Quran God Warns Muslims Mustnt Be With Kaffirs..kurds Have Been Making Same Mistakes Being With Kaffirs...
Turkish People Have Never Begged For Their Independence From Kaffirs In History..so Turks Are Respected By All Nations All Over The World...
In Turkey Everybody Are Turkish Citizens And If Someones Dont Accept It,they Must Go Away To Find Another Home For Themselves..
Ne Mutlu Turkum Diyene..

[diyako]

Hi All Brothers,
In The Past Arabic People Made Mistake Against Ottoman Empire And It Was Mistake So That They Were With Kaffirs..in Quran God Warns Muslims Mustnt Be With Kaffirs..kurds Have Been Making Same Mistakes Being With Kaffirs...
Turkish People Have Never Begged For Their Independence From Kaffirs In History..so Turks Are Respected By All Nations All Over The World...
In Turkey Everybody Are Turkish Citizens And If Someones Dont Accept It,they Must Go Away To Find Another Home For Themselves..
Ne Mutlu Turkum Diyene..

You still living in the past,which has no merit of fact, in world of fantasy!!! you Turks dreaming too much.
who is kaffir you calling!! USA, European! well I guess they must be kaffir according to you, by feeding you and your generals !! and keep Kurds in Mersey of barbaric nation like you! Dude !! don’t be stupid !! Thanks to west, Turkey still breathing in northern Kurdistan(so called east Turkey). You owe them with whole your turkey even you sell your mama to them still is not enough!!

[diyako]

Oh,Kurds are rising!By killing innocent civil Turks,women and children without any shame?What a rise!Congrats Mr.Terrorist!

BTW,pls wake up and realize that all those nations who "help" you are using you for their strategies.And stop calling people idiots.Have some honor!



What a stupid and dumb comment!!
Your turkey have been busy even since its foundation ,with force assimilation, killing ,murdering, genociding Kurdish nation, and when time for Kurds to scream outside wall you call term using!! Are you stupid!!!! Well is dumbest things ever I hard!!! Thanks to those countries your Ata Turk sell himself for killing Kurdish aspiration as was agreed in sver agreement and signed lozan agreement!!
Kurds are nation civilized, and will seek friends anywhere, not like your little turkey every day bagging Jewish lobby in Washington in order to continue their occupational in Kurdistan!!! Kurds have friend and they will seek more strategic friends, and soon when you run of friends, we shall see your turkey in pieces


As we all know in turkey anyone peacefully even argue Kurdish case, your system treat them as terrorist and must be killed or tortured, is no wonder you call me terrorist in American journal!!! See how your Turk mentality of denial , oppressive and racist attitude towards Kurds are, and let me tell you, this oppressive system is no loger valid in 21 century, will hit wall and will be hunted

God Blass KURDISTAN God Blass AMERICA

[sardar]

the email that i become from a racist idiot
Datum Fri, 4 Aug 2006 13:52:51 +0300
Von: "Oðuz TOLGA" <oguztolga@gmail.com>
An: "serdar star" <serdar_star_info@yahoo.de>
Betreff: Re: not idiot language kurdish or english

Turks have been killing idiot kurds for 8000 years one more or less makes no differance.Your father must be an idiot too .because you dont know anything about the history .
.................................................. .................................................. ......

yes we and all world knows that u people killing us for long time yes ur right .yes we know and all world knows that turks stolled the whole kurdistan ! hey idiot u son bitch ata turk just thats why we are fighting for freedom because as U SAID TURKS HAVE BEEN KILLING KURDS FOR 8000 YEARS ! so just be idiot just be stupid world have been changed,and u better know i know more then idiot like u about history what i know and what i say world saying it toooooo ,,and what u know and what u say is just what u have learned from turkish racistan school :D and nobody is agree with u and idiot people like u !!!! so see who is going to win !

SAY YES FOR FREEDOM OUT RACIST MOGOLIS GOD BLESS KURDISTAN GOD BLESS AMERICA GOD BLESS ISRAEIL GOD BLESS ENGLAND

[miki]

GOD BLESS AMERICA GOD BLESS ISRAEIL GOD BLESS ENGLAND

HAHAHHAAHHAAHAHAHAHHA :D

[thanks to God i m turkish]

USA or israel or other collaborators will never be successful in the wars of Middle East Region...
now look at the attacks of israel..moslem countries are in silence for a short time because all over the world will see who are racists and barbarians and accept israel government is in wrong...
up to me all moslem people must boycott for israel's products..yes it should start soon..
what do u brothers think?
ne mutlu turkum diyene...

[sardar]

in mohammed time israeilian people were in makka and medina so see in that time israeilian people were in suhdia arbic and fashist arbeic start war with them from that time till now ..we can say even makka and meddina is belong to israeil like is blong to arbeic people too ....but arabs are so racist like turks they dont even leave israelian people in israeil gods poletic party captured 2 israeil soldat - for nothing why ? when they do such shit then they must die....... since give this world moslims are killing juden why ? but ur just like all idiot radikal arabs u can never see the truth !!! and know u idiot am just saying the truth ,,,,i dont need any thanks from nobody SAY YES FOR FREEDOM
OUT RACIST MOGOLIS

GOD BLESS KURDISTAN GOD BLESS AMERICA GOD BLESS ISRAEIL

[blackkartal]

:D

I TELL YOU ONT THING: HOOOOOOOSSSTT!!! (we use this expression in Turkish language when a dog is barking:D :D


when u cant accept me as a human when u cant accept me to stady in my mom language when u cant accept my nation when u cant accept my flag when u cant accept my culture when u cant accept my erth when u cant accept my language
and when u dont belive in dialogs THEN U MUST DIE
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM
OUT RACIST MOGOLISTHATS ALL WHAT WE ARE FIGHTING FOR !

[akgunes]

International borders are never completely just. But the degree of injustice they inflict upon those whom frontiers force together or separate makes an enormous difference &mdash; often the difference between freedom and oppression, tolerance and atrocity, the rule of law and terrorism, or even peace and war.

http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2006/06/1833899
EVERYONE IN THE WORLDS MUST KNOW THAT THE BORDERS IN THE MIDDLE EAST CAN BE CHANGED EXCEPT TURKIYE.IF THEY HAVE ANY DREAM OR PLAY OVER TURKIYE THEIR DREAM OR PLAY WILL RETURN TO THE NIGHTMARE....TURKISH PEOPLE ARE NOT LIKE OTHERS...THEY CAN NOT LIVE WITHOUT INDEPENDENCY.....

ON THE OTHER HAND ; DO THEY KNOW HOW THE KURDISH PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN TURKIYE....THERE IS NO DIFFERENCES BETWEEN TURKS AND KURDS...

I THINK USA WILL MOVE TO THE MIDDLE EAST SOON....WHY?..VERY SIMPLE ANSWER BECAUSE THEY NEED THE ENERGY SOURCES.....VERY SOON THEY WILL HAVE NO ENERGY AND BECOME POORER THAN AFRICA....

DEAR USA CITIZENS, YOU ARE LOOSING YOUR WORTH IN THE WORLD.DO NOT PERMIT TO YOUR POLITICIANS TO DO THAT.YOU ARE WASTING YOUR HISTORY....DO YOU KNOW 4 OR 5 YEARS AGO EVERYBODY WANTED TO COME TO USA TO LIVE BUT TODAY BELIEVE ME NO BODY WANTS TO DO THAT...YOUR COUNTRY IS NOT DREAMLAND ANYMORE....WAKE UP AND TURN TO YOURSELF AND STOP KILLING PEOPLE IN BEIRUT, PALESTINE,IRAQ AND OTHERS......TRY TO HELP THEM IN USING NORMAL WAY....NOT USING WEAPONS....GIVE THEM FOOD, ACCOMADATION,WATER, GOOD FEELING LIKE TURKIYE....

[sardar]

akgunes
ON THE OTHER HAND ; DO THEY KNOW HOW THE KURDISH PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN TURKIYE....THERE IS NO DIFFERENCES BETWEEN TURKS AND KURD


BECAUSE OF SUCH IDIOT DOGS


GOD BLESS KURDISTAN GOD BLESS AMERICA

[aligurkankaraaslan]

The ones who break the peace will be punished sooner or later

[aligurkankaraaslan]

when u cant accept me as a human when u cant accept me to stady in my mom language when u cant accept my nation when u cant accept my flag when u cant accept my culture when u cant accept my erth when u cant accept my language
and when u dont belive in dialogs THEN U MUST DIE
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM
OUT RACIST MOGOLISTHATS ALL WHAT WE ARE FIGHTING FOR !
I really don't know what shall i write to.
The ones that want a war for free!! kurdistan. I am really wondering what the problem is. What are the things that you can't make them real. Freedom? You are free as the other fifty race in Türkiye. Language? You can speak, publish or educate in kurdish. Education? The same No one forbids you from that.Work? You are free to make any kind of business except the ones that are forbidden to all of us. Politics? Be a member of TBMM, be prime minister ( By elections of course)Vacation? Go to everywhere you are free to go. Wellfare? Do you know that the most important part of hard-earned money goes to south-east part of Türkiye. So what... What is your problem.
And last but not the least there are nearly 10 million people in Türkiye that sharing kurdish and turkish blood like me. What is your plans for us?

PEACE!!!!

The ones who break the peace will be punished sooner or later

[sardar]

we dont answer chip people like miki and all mikis

[sardar]

ANKARA - Turkish Daily News
PKK opens contact office in Iraqi capital
The outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) has opened a contact office in Iraq's capital city of Baghdad under the name Öcalan Cultural Center -- explicitly referring to its now-imprisoned leader, Abdullah Öcalan, CNN-Türk reported.
The office, which opened on one of the busiest streets in the city, is only 500 meters from the Turkish Embassy, CNN-Türk said.

SEE IT IN MGOLIS DAILY NEWS --- KLICK ME >>> :D (http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=48811)

WITH MY SMOKING ENGLISH :D
so i want to tell all idiot turks writers and fashist regiem if freedom fighters are tirorist how they could open a contact office in capital city bahgdad !?????idiot its just by name soon pkk will be out of tirorist list yeah u just better know it world have been changed idiot i told u more then 1000 times u better give up !!! then dieing is ur future way ! tell me u idiot writers why al-qahida cant open such office ????? and why pkk can do it !!! :D is only 500 meters from the turkish embassy:D


SAY YES FOR FREEDOM OUT RACIST MOGOLIS


GOD BLESS KURDISTAN GOD BLESS AMERICA

[SAYMANU]

I guess, the US General Staff has done the right thing and did not promote you to General.
However, General Staff missing too many Peters and the world getting into a dark nightmare day after day.
At this point I am really pessimistic about the US mothers.
They send their loved ones to all around the world and wait their return in a flagged coffin. For what?
Whatever done since 60 ies are completely fiascos.
Check Vietnam-Afghanistan-Iraq and others. They all end with a BIG FIASCO

[SAYMANU]

The person who dictated that map has never read history in his life.
He has not the slightest idea of the ethnicities in the middle east reagon.
If the case is to "create motherlands" to every ethnicty, the has to draw a "very high resolution" map since there are more than a hundred ethnicities in this part of the world.
One other thing is that (the most important sign that he has no historical background) the Kurds in their lives have never touched their fingers to any seas.
How come Mr Peters open a corridor to Black Sea?
I bet he does not know that this part of black sea is wavy and not suitable for swimming.
I suggest him to open another corridor to Antalya, Ibiza, CopaCobana, or even to Florida (why not?) too.

[aligurkankaraaslan]

SEE IT IN MGOLIS DAILY NEWS --- KLICK ME >>> :D (http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=48811)

WITH MY SMOKING ENGLISH :D
so i want to tell all idiot turks writers and fashist regiem if freedom fighters are tirorist how they could open a contact office in capital city bahgdad !?????idiot its just by name soon pkk will be out of tirorist list yeah u just better know it world have been changed idiot i told u more then 1000 times u better give up !!! then dieing is ur future way ! tell me u idiot writers why al-qahida cant open such office ????? and why pkk can do it !!! :D is only 500 meters from the turkish embassy:D


SAY YES FOR FREEDOM OUT RACIST MOGOLIS


GOD BLESS KURDISTAN GOD BLESS AMERICA
Sorry my nervous-minded friend. They are all closing by the orders of your beloved america to the puppet iraqi governor. What will you say about this.

[Sweepcall]

I like parts of your attitude, and other parts i don't like.

First, Choni kaka,

Racists, yes everyone hates them..
Extremists, yes everyone hates them

but

USA is planning on a new map. Yes they are.
USA has created the Qa'eda and Usama bin laden whole network. YES THEY DID.
USA is paying money and supplying weapons and armors to Terrorists groups (which they have created) in Iraq, YES, YES, AND YES, YES, AND YES YES THEY ARE INDEED.

USA are planting road side bombs to kill 95% iraqis and 5% of their own hammers, YES YES YES, how come? CAUSE I AND A DOZEN HAVE SEEN THEM BY OUR BARE EYES AT TIMES FROM 3AM TO 4:30 AM IN THE MORNING INSTALLING THE BOMBS. WHERE WERE WE? WE WERE IN THE BALCONY. YES.

no one hates kurds, or shiites, or sunnies, christians, jews, or buddists. COZ WE DON'T CARE.
who are we? WE ARE IRAQIS in the majority of 90%.

and about God bless America, i like to say God Bless American People instead. they're peaceful people.

and about Racism,

no offense but please answeer my question although i might not check up on this forum again. but please answer this question:

IF YOU HATE RACISM !!

WHY THE HELL THAT EVERY IRAQI SUNNI OR SHIITE WHO GOES TO DUHOK, ERBIL, SULAIMANIA, FINDS YOU KURDS ARE RACISTS !!!!

SO PLEASE, STOP TALKING ABOUT EXTREMISTS, RACISM OR WHATEVER.

COZ IT'S BETTER TO CLEAN OURSELVES FIRST...

THANK YOU, AND AS I SAID, NO OFFENSE.

GOD BLESS.

[sardar]

first of all u better know that i dont shame of my smoking english with my smoking english u racistan people geting crazy idiotly and just look at kind of ur comment and ur words ... idiot and chip like u.. i use MS extra go and look all of my comments EXAMPLE MS KEMAL ATA DOGS :D AND ABOUT TALABANI HAHAAH u just better know him we all know this dengerosse man what hes saying and what hes doing is really differenc and its normal because hes just a poletic man stop be an idiot stop be an stupid just be human u idiot RACIST
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM OUT RACIST TURKS
GOD BLESS KURDISTAN GOD BLESS AMERICA

[sardar]

NO i dont know niandirtal language and i dont want to learn racistan language and know my mom language is KURDISH and world general language is ENGLISH .......................... if u have such news in english or kurdish ok show it or no need i do believe that may talabani say something like that ...but know as i said what talabani is saying and what hes doing is really differenc but thx god that u racistan people cant understand poletics :D...yeah just know it u RACIST idiot


SAY YES FOR FREE DOM
OUT RACIST TURKS

[sardar]

its because i know u racistan people i just bren racist feeling



SAY YES FOR FREEDOM
OUR RACIST TURKS

[sardar]

If i didnt allow u to study in ur mom language call me RACIST if i stolled ur home and told u shut up call me RACIST if i come to ur home and told u here is my home go out and be quite call me RACIST and if i were human and heard that somebody calling me RACIST then i will shame of myself and my nation and i will be quite and give up or tell u oh sorry my life colige ur right!!! so now am calling u RACIST and ur not respecting ur self and ur nation! if u love ur self and ur nation take ur bag and go home !!! am in my own home and i were boren in this home u just came and start war out said my door !! or tell me where that all turkish soldat have been killed was it in istambul or in golden mountinis in north kurdistan ? when i were boren in kurdistan u were in mongolia !! isnt it ?am not visitor here like u am in my own place yes am in my own home my own erth and am ready to die for this erth ....so what am telling u exactly same to iran regiem and surya regiem too


well its really time to understand each other stop losing blood for nothing u cant kill 35 million people when their true take ur bag and go home if not U MUST SOON
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM OUT RACIST TURKS

[Nastiye]

What a stupid and dumb comment!!
Your turkey have been busy even since its foundation ,with force assimilation, killing ,murdering, genociding Kurdish nation, and when time for Kurds to scream outside wall you call term using!! Are you stupid!!!! Well is dumbest things ever I hard!!! Thanks to those countries your Ata Turk sell himself for killing Kurdish aspiration as was agreed in sver agreement and signed lozan agreement!!
Kurds are nation civilized, and will seek friends anywhere, not like your little turkey every day bagging Jewish lobby in Washington in order to continue their occupational in Kurdistan!!! Kurds have friend and they will seek more strategic friends, and soon when you run of friends, we shall see your turkey in pieces


As we all know in turkey anyone peacefully even argue Kurdish case, your system treat them as terrorist and must be killed or tortured, is no wonder you call me terrorist in American journal!!! See how your Turk mentality of denial , oppressive and racist attitude towards Kurds are, and let me tell you, this oppressive system is no loger valid in 21 century, will hit wall and will be hunted

God Blass KURDISTAN God Blass AMERICA

Dear Diyako,
What kind of a brutal anger you have!It actually gives you away...
First of all,can you prove a "genocide"?It's real easy to say that word.I still can not see a rise,especially a rise of the nation of Kurds by ITSELF.
Sorry but you have to accept that it is a characteristic of Turks that we can't bear slavery.We saved our nation from it without any help.Nobody is begging here.
Also I think you seriously need to stop barking to people and calling their ideas stupid and dumb,because it showes only that you talk without reasonably thinking.You keep saying the same things,you go no farther.It seems to me you are more narrow-minded.
Sevres Agreement was never put in action.There was only one reason:Although Ottoman governors agreed to sign it,the Turks disagreed it(the characteristic again here.)
Another thing,I see Turks everyday.If there were a such a homogenized nation as "Turks",then all Turks would look like Asians.But we have blondes,blue-eyeds,brunettes,and so on.Because there is only one criteria to be a Turk:to feel Turkish.We don't care about where who comes from.So how can you think such a nation would be fascists???We don't hate all Kurds,and if you find quotes full of hatred,there is only one reason:Kurdish terrorists trying to take our land and killing innocent ppl while attempting it.Those are my feelings,I weren't brainwashed.One difference between you and us:We don't murder innocent Kurds!
Our "little Turkey"?Where is "Kurdistan"?
You are talking about Turkey "begging" to its friends(I still can't understand who they are) and then you are proud of your group of Kurds having "friends"?What kind of an irony is that?:)
And last but not least,victory is gotten by the one itself,not by the "powerful" friends' pressure!
Hope to see you more reasonable and open-minded next time.(And sorry for my uncontrolled anger last time,
Nastiye

[Nastiye]

GOD BLESS KURDISTAN GOD BLESS AMERICA [/CENTER]

if you are Kurdish, why do you ask god to bless America too?What kind of a love is that???:rolleyes: Come on,correct me if I'm wrong.
Diyako,I ask for your answer too:p

[sardar]

why god bless america because since give america they have fighted approximate diktatrors and tirorist like iraq afganistan natzi kosovo and look at iran surya hzbula al-qahida and turkey will be after iran and surya if america lost they are power u racistan and idiot arabs radikal will control our world our life ....so the usa army is freedom fighter thats why GOD BLESS KURDISTAN GOD BLESS AMERICA
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM
OUT RACIST TURKS

[sardar]

If i didnt allow u to study in ur mom language call me RACIST if i stolled ur home and told u shut up call me RACIST if i come to ur home and told u here is my home go out and be quite call me RACIST and if i were human and heard that somebody calling me RACIST then i will shame of myself and my nation and i will be quite and give up or tell u oh sorry my life colige ur right!!! so now am calling u RACIST and ur not respecting ur self and ur nation! if u love ur self and ur nation take ur bag and go home !!! am in my own home and i were boren in this home u just came and start war out said my door !! or tell me where that all turkish soldat have been killed was it in istambul or in golden mountinis in north kurdistan ? when i were boren in kurdistan u were in mongolia !! isnt it ?am not visitor here like u am in my own place yes am in my own home my own erth and am ready to die for this erth ....so what am telling u exactly same to iran regiem and surya regiem too


well its really time to understand each other stop losing blood for nothing u cant kill 35 million people when their true take ur bag and go home if not U MUST SOON
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM OUT RACIST TURKS

[julenar]

Remember ... all the problems in the Middle East are created to give Israel the space to breathe. Is Peter trying to hide the fact that this SUGGESTED map is actually to create a bigger Israel?!!! After all, all the jews in the world want their promised land!!! don't they Peter? Other human beings don't matter, just do what was done in the region a century ago, divide and conquer more...

Think we can't see this? But I hope all the rest will be able to just like we do.

[blackkartal]

oooooo maaan (you might be a woman or gay...welll...I dont know.... doesnt matter)....I told you several times stop barking with oversized letters!! stop using useless slogans!! try tp be bit logical and try to improve yourself and post something that has ground!!
actually...you are so funnyy!! :D :D and you are making me lough!:D BUT IT IS ENOUGH I SUPPOSE....:p


If i didnt allow u to study in ur mom language call me RACIST if i stolled ur home and told u shut up call me RACIST if i come to ur home and told u here is my home go out and be quite call me RACIST and if i were human and heard that somebody calling me RACIST then i will shame of myself and my nation and i will be quite and give up or tell u oh sorry my life colige ur right!!! so now am calling u RACIST and ur not respecting ur self and ur nation! if u love ur self and ur nation take ur bag and go home !!! am in my own home and i were boren in this home u just came and start war out said my door !! or tell me where that all turkish soldat have been killed was it in istambul or in golden mountinis in north kurdistan ? when i were boren in kurdistan u were in mongolia !! isnt it ?am not visitor here like u am in my own place yes am in my own home my own erth and am ready to die for this erth ....so what am telling u exactly same to iran regiem and surya regiem too


well its really time to understand each other stop losing blood for nothing u cant kill 35 million people when their true take ur bag and go home if not U MUST SOON
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM OUT RACIST TURKS

[sardar]

oooooo maaan (you might be a woman or gay...welll...I dont know.... doesnt matter)....I told you several times stop barking with oversized letters!! stop using useless slogans!! try tp be bit logical and try to improve yourself and post something that has ground!!
actually...you are so funnyy!! :D :D and you are making me lough!:D BUT IT IS ENOUGH I SUPPOSE....:p


no matter give up i want to see ur answer if ur human give up and go home.yes if ur human u shuold give up.dont worry about big size give up and go home
say yes for freedom
out racist turks

[sardar]

where is ur answer ???!!!

If i didnt allow u to study in ur mom language call me RACIST if i stolled ur home and told u shut up call me RACIST if i come to ur home and told u here is my home go out and be quite call me RACIST and if i were human and heard that somebody calling me RACIST then i will shame of myself and my nation and i will be quite and give up or tell u oh sorry my life colige ur right!!! so now am calling u RACIST and ur not respecting ur self and ur nation! if u love ur self and ur nation take ur bag and go home !!! am in my own home and i were boren in this home u just came and start war out said my door !! or tell me where that all turkish soldat have been killed was it in istambul or in golden mountinis in north kurdistan ? when i were boren in kurdistan u were in mongolia !! isnt it ?am not visitor here like u am in my own place yes am in my own home my own erth and am ready to die for this erth ....so what am telling u exactly same to iran regiem and surya regiem too


well its really time to understand each other stop losing blood for nothing u cant kill 35 million people when their true take ur bag and go home if not U MUST SOON
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM OUT RACIST TURKS

[sardar]

where is ur answer ???!!!

If i didnt allow u to study in ur mom language call me RACIST if i stolled ur home and told u shut up call me RACIST if i come to ur home and told u here is my home go out and be quite call me RACIST and if i were human and heard that somebody calling me RACIST then i will shame of myself and my nation and i will be quite and give up or tell u oh sorry my life colige ur right!!! so now am calling u RACIST and ur not respecting ur self and ur nation! if u love ur self and ur nation take ur bag and go home !!! am in my own home and i were boren in this home u just came and start war out said my door !! or tell me where that all turkish soldat have been killed was it in istambul or in golden mountinis in north kurdistan ? when i were boren in kurdistan u were in mongolia !! isnt it ?am not visitor here like u am in my own place yes am in my own home my own erth and am ready to die for this erth ....so what am telling u exactly same to iran regiem and surya regiem too


well its really time to understand each other stop losing blood for nothing u cant kill 35 million people when their true take ur bag and go home if not U MUST SOON
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM OUT RACIST TURKS

[sardar]

WHY WE ARE WINER BECAUSE WHAT WE ARE SAYING WOLRD SAYING IT TOOOOO AND WHAT WE BELIEVE WORLD BELIEVE IT TOOOO !!!!! WHY U RACISTAN ARE LOSER BECAUSE WHAT U RACISTAN ARE SAYING WORLD IS NOT AGREE WITH AND WHAT U RACISTAN BELIEVE WORLD IS NOT BELIEVEING IT
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM OUT RACIST TURKS

[SAYMANU]

I suppose it is better to stop exchanging views with this "salako"
Spending time to decode his kurdish-english is a hell time waste.
We should go back to the main subject about that map of that retired US officer,
What surprise me is US does not have any respect to any nation's territories even if they are their allies.
So what is the use of NATO or similar treaties?

[sardar]

where is ur answer ???!!!

If i didnt allow u to study in ur mom language call me RACIST if i stolled ur home and told u shut up call me RACIST if i come to ur home and told u here is my home go out and be quite call me RACIST and if i were human and heard that somebody calling me RACIST then i will shame of myself and my nation and i will be quite and give up or tell u oh sorry my life colige ur right!!! so now am calling u RACIST and ur not respecting ur self and ur nation! if u love ur self and ur nation take ur bag and go home !!! am in my own home and i were boren in this home u just came and start war out said my door !! or tell me where that all turkish soldat have been killed was it in istambul or in golden mountinis in north kurdistan ? when i were boren in kurdistan u were in mongolia !! isnt it ?am not visitor here like u am in my own place yes am in my own home my own erth and am ready to die for this erth ....so what am telling u exactly same to iran regiem and surya regiem too


well its really time to understand each other stop losing blood for nothing u cant kill 35 million people when their true take ur bag and go home if not U MUST SOON
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM OUT RACIST TURKS

[Nick]

Mr. Peters proposal is interesting and somehow encouraging to see where it will end. Despite the Turkish nervous respond to this article and their declaration of friendly attitude to their "Mountainous Turks" (Kurds) and their "Christain Turks" (Armenians), the histroy dispalyed the exactly opposite. The force deportation, massive killings, destruction of historical and cultural monuments (especially Armenian in Eastern Anatolia), and GENOCIDE are enough facts to redraw the Turksih map in order to create a peacful Middle East. It is a time, one time and forever, to end this government's grip on the people who whemently reject the Turksih government, Turksih langauge and Turksih culture. The creation of greater Kurdistan is just and must happen sooner or later. Kurds desreve and have all right to be independnet nation and pursue their happiness under their own government and their flourshing culture if they can build this in near future. However, the author discussed the Armenian Genocide and how Western powers unjustly transfer Aremenian land to the new Turkish Republic. The question is following what would be the Armenia's share from eastern Anatolia and how it should be manage to implement the Sever treaty and establishing a two state in that piece of land based on international law and regulations.

I would like to answer My Turkish Friends ,
you did not allow me to talk my mother tongue, so UR racist.

Your "Bashibozugs" stoll my home and you said shut up so I can call you a racist.

You came my home and said this is my home, and you said go out. You are a racist.

And I call you racist and you should shame of yourself forvere, forever, forever.

If you realy want to see who you are, go to the eastern Anaolia a place which was flourishing by trade, business, and art. Go to see ruins of Ani and you should shame of yourself that what you have done to a great civilization and if you have conscience you should cry on the walls of remaining Armenian churches and ask for forgiveness millions of times. It is obviuous that even stones of Eastern Anatolia will not forgive you and will tell you go out ASAP. You are an invador, this is not your home. This is a home for a great nation that you destroyed. It is real shame on you. My ancestors blood will not allow you rest until you go out of their homes forever and do not comeback. This will happen sooner or later.

[peace]

Do you know Canakkale? Do you remember it? Again your fathers like Bush had prepared his army, high technology war machines and said " Tomorrow we will be in İstanbul" But no! Turks,Kurds, Chirkassians, Indias, Arabians said your fathers and Chirchill "Go away! Beat it! ".We had the power of belief .Yes we had win a victory it was the victory of Muslims.One day you will saw again Allah help us and all Muslims will be united.Damn with! the US, Damn with the UK,Europeans(we have seen how you civilized!) and damned Jewish people.

[peace]

Mr. Peters proposal is interesting and somehow encouraging to see where it will end. Despite the Turkish nervous respond to this article and their declaration of friendly attitude to their "Mountainous Turks" (Kurds) and their "Christain Turks" (Armenians), the histroy dispalyed the exactly opposite. The force deportation, massive killings, destruction of historical and cultural monuments (especially Armenian in Eastern Anatolia), and GENOCIDE are enough facts to redraw the Turksih map in order to create a peacful Middle East. It is a time, one time and forever, to end this government's grip on the people who whemently reject the Turksih government, Turksih langauge and Turksih culture. The creation of greater Kurdistan is just and must happen sooner or later. Kurds desreve and have all right to be independnet nation and pursue their happiness under their own government and their flourshing culture if they can build this in near future. However, the author discussed the Armenian Genocide and how Western powers unjustly transfer Aremenian land to the new Turkish Republic. The question is following what would be the Armenia's share from eastern Anatolia and how it should be manage to implement the Sever treaty and establishing a two state in that piece of land based on international law and regulations.

I would like to answer My Turkish Friends ,
you did not allow me to talk my mother tongue, so UR racist.

Your "Bashibozugs" stoll my home and you said shut up so I can call you a racist.

You came my home and said this is my home, and you said go out. You are a racist.

And I call you racist and you should shame of yourself forvere, forever, forever.

If you realy want to see who you are, go to the eastern Anaolia a place which was flourishing by trade, business, and art. Go to see ruins of Ani and you should shame of yourself that what you have done to a great civilization and if you have conscience you should cry on the walls of remaining Armenian churches and ask for forgiveness millions of times. It is obviuous that even stones of Eastern Anatolia will not forgive you and will tell you go out ASAP. You are an invador, this is not your home. This is a home for a great nation that you destroyed. It is real shame on you. My ancestors blood will not allow you rest until you go out of their homes forever and do not comeback. This will happen sooner or later.

You said that my friend.I want to ask that first, do you think only the Turks are migrated ? Don't you know the migration of nations in 375 D.C..You are crying not seriously.You are be cheated people.Your government and your patriarch says lie.Don't you remember or didn't tell you any of your fathers that you were living in comfort with Turks,Arabians,Kurds or any other people? You were rich, you were respected in Ottoman country.You were in peace.But then your father have decided to not live in comfort !And helped to the enemy of Ottomans.In fact your fathers are be cheated by the English or French or Russian people.Then they are be attacked you to your own country, to Ottoman country.Your fathers were like Brutus.
Then Armenian guerillas killed innocent Ottomans,olders,babies and they fired villages.So The Ottoman Government migrated some Armenians to Syria.Beacuse all Armenians can be guerillas. Was that better if the Ottoman soldiers were kill all Armenians.Was that better?Your Blue Book is a lie.Armenians are being cheated.

[SAYMANU]

If all the replies to this thread are accepted to be reality and true, then the USA must empty all north america and return to Ireland, UK, France, Italy,Spain etc and leave these lands to the original owners (were called Red Skins or Red Indians) if some thousands from millions remained after numerous massaccres performed by the ancestors of the SO CALLED CIVILIZED EUROPE.
Anyone who call Turks racist or similar must first read history from the neutral sources.
Without knowing the past or just reading from 'guided sources' always end with tears and agony.
This is why all your parents who withnessed the independence war of Turkey meet in the common sense of the greatness of Turks and the Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.
And to all Armenian friends: Why do you still insist on not reviewing the ottoman archives we opened to the world? We are still waiting your historians and related people.
Be realistic and accept the truth.

[Nastiye]

[CENTER]why god bless america because since give america they have fighted approximate diktatrors and tirorist like iraq afganistan natzi kosovo and look at iran surya hzbula al-qahida and turkey will be after iran and surya if america lost they are power u racistan and idiot arabs radikal will control our world our life ....so the usa army is freedom fighter thats why

why would America "help" you guys without any reason in such a material world??Open your eyes pls...:rolleyes:

PS:I am not cursing you.but you don't know anything but curse.Talk reasonably,cursing won't work with me!

[Nick]

You said that my friend.I want to ask that first, do you think only the Turks are migrated ? Don't you know the migration of nations in 375 D.C..You are crying not seriously.You are be cheated people.Your government and your patriarch says lie.Don't you remember or didn't tell you any of your fathers that you were living in comfort with Turks,Arabians,Kurds or any other people? You were rich, you were respected in Ottoman country.You were in peace.But then your father have decided to not live in comfort !And helped to the enemy of Ottomans.In fact your fathers are be cheated by the English or French or Russian people.Then they are be attacked you to your own country, to Ottoman country.Your fathers were like Brutus.
Then Armenian guerillas killed innocent Ottomans,olders,babies and they fired villages.So The Ottoman Government migrated some Armenians to Syria.Beacuse all Armenians can be guerillas. Was that better if the Ottoman soldiers were kill all Armenians.Was that better?Your Blue Book is a lie.Armenians are being cheated.

This you can expect from a Turk who blinded with official Tukish propaganda. You cannot see what your government have done against the others. The Ottomans and Turkish Republic are not innocent creatures and just rest of the world is bad you are the one just hollies holly. Use your brain, if of course if you have one to use. How on the earth if people who live in conmfot and have wonderful will revolt agianst its government. If people's honor and degnity was protected no one will go out and complain against the Ottomans and Turkish Republic. Watch your face and your hand in the mirror it is bloody as hell and you walk in the ocean of blood that made by your previous and current respective government. Please wakeup, see the world and accept the reality of life. Genocide was not deception and blue book was not a lie. You just in your imagination try to make yourself comfortable that might possible the Blue Book was a myth, but it is a reality. The Turkish government was not able to force "Great Britain" to call Blue Book a piece of WWI propagandation. The same Great Briatin which is the greatest supporter of Turkish state for at least last 300 years.

It is obvious that the Turkish intellectuals are getting tired of Turkish government official propaganda, they are going to examine the reality by their own. They will see the reality of life and will come back and will tell to the Turkish masses that how horrible Turkish leaders are, how horrible Turkish government lies are and how these crazy bastered criminalized our nation.

That's all I can tell you.

[GOKTURK EMPİRE]

Remember WORLD WAR 1 and checkout the time from 1923 till today how many
times the TURKİSH REPUBLİC caused WAR or occupied other countries.
Don't talk about CYPRUS cause TURKİSH BABİES were KİLLED BY the EOKA TERRORİSTS!
NOW TURKİSH BABİES are killed by the P.K.K TERRORİSTS in TURKEY!
İf who likes to wish to stay in the TURKİSH BORDERS made by the LAUSANNE TREATY with a VİSA your WELCOME WE WİLL SHARE OUR BREAD!
And for the ones that deniy their TURKİSH CİTİZENSHİP their are 192 countries
in the WORLD intead of TURKEY they can just F..K OFF! AND GO!
LOVE AND PEACE TO THE WHOLE WİDE WORLD!

[GOKTURK EMPİRE]

Remember WORLD WAR 1 and checkout the time from 1923 till today how many
times the TURKİSH REPUBLİC caused WAR or occupied other countries.
Don't talk about CYPRUS cause TURKİSH BABİES were KİLLED BY the EOKA TERRORİSTS!
NOW TURKİSH BABİES are killed by the P.K.K TERRORİSTS in TURKEY!
İf who likes to wish can stay in the TURKİSH BORDERS made by the LAUSANNE TREATY with a VİSA and your WELCOME WE WİLL SHARE OUR BREAD!
And for the ones that deniy their TURKİSH CİTİZENSHİP their are 192 countries
in the WORLD intead of TURKEY they can just F..K OFF! AND GO!
LOVE AND PEACE TO THE WHOLE WİDE WORLD!
NOTE ASALA'S SONS PLEASE SHUT UP!

[sardar]

BY MR NICK

I WOULD LIKE TO TELL MY TURKISH FRIENDS
you did not allow me to talk my mother tongue, so UR racist.

Your "Bashibozugs" stoll my home and you said shut up so I can call you a racist.

You came my home and said this is my home, and you said go out. You are a racist.

And I call you racist and you should shame of yourself forvere, forever, forever.


YES EXACTLY

if u new turkish generation really love turkey and belive in human right than u people must press u racist regime to give a better life to ur next generastion !if u like or dont like free indipends kurdistan will be build soon ,so u better press ur racist regime to leave kurdhome kurdland kurdistan if u do it u will give ur next generation a better life !!
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM OUT RACIST TURKISH REGIME ;SAME TO IRAN AND SURYE

[sardar]

snice ur accepting LIONSLAND AND CUBRUS be a member of ( EU ) will be only dream ! :D

[yavuz ozalp]

dear diyako i dont usually answer to anyone that dont make sense .i feel ishould for once.i for one dont afraid of saying that im a turkish/american.you dont even identify yourself clearly accept you are a lobyyist against the great turkish nationals.you need to learn more about our history in order to make any comments.ATATURK was a great leader.we are proud of graduating schools that has his perpective.we are not the one that are barking constantly,people like yourself doing it for us .what do you know about turkish democracy.let me enlighten you a bit.republic of Turkiye has a aprx.550 elected cogressman,which whom aprx 35% are kurdish decent turkish citizens.we had a 2 kurdish decent turkish presidents,as well as a prime ministers.every citizen has a same rights.if any so called minority are complaining about it they should go and use their right to vote .nobody is saying Turkiye has the best democracy but we are getting better every day.instead of critize the treatment (i dont beleive they are singled out in any way)if you are concern about some minority group in Turkiye best advise to you is to tell them easiest solution go vote instead of killing innocent peoples.Turkiye has been suffering from the terrorizm since late 70 s.asala started pkk continue.what do or did they accomplish .nothing an they will not the way they do things.so please get your facts straight learn more about my country before you make anymore b...sh.. comments.this is your lesson for today if you want more continue writing more but please talk about the facts not HERESAY. enjoy your days.
your TURKISH teacher for the day.

[sardar]

your TURKISH teacher for the day.

A SHORT ANSWER
WITH MY SMOKING ENGLISH :D
FIRST OF ALL IF I GOT A LITTLE MONEY :D I WILL START ENGLISH LANGUAGE KOLIJ HERE IN KEOLN:THAN I COULD ANSWER U PLL BETTER .BUT FOR NOW I HOPE THAT U PEOPLE COULD UNDERSTAND MY SMOKING :D ENGLISH
SO
WHY UR LOSER !!!? WHOS TURKS IN PERSONALITY !!!? turks peoples and regime always want to be othere peoples boss and stoll other peoples gold and imprialiern othere peoples erth without any shame and if they didnt accept such RACIST idea turks have always killed them and did genosid trajidia like armenia and kurdistan !!!SO UR A LOSER !
because we all know long time ago turks mogols had more land but not ur land other peoples land not ur home other peoples home and u pll always wanted to be other peeples boss or lets say other nations boss in their own home in thier own land but all that nations hadindt accept such RACIST idea und such RACIST mantalitet so as we see now u people had lost other people land day by day till now and it was all because of such RACIST mantalittet like mr 'Yavus Ozalp'.so now is only kurdistan to get back our own home if we take our own home back than turkey will be with istambul and some other nack erth !in other hand turkey will be not stratig for usa and EU any more and USA will STOP turkish frindship soon as they did already .! yes mr ' .yavus ozalp its all becaause of ur RACIST mantaliete and if u dont believe let it we will see as we have seen

SAY YES FOR FREEDOM
OUT RACIST TURKS REGIME

[yavuz ozalp]

A SHORT ANSWER
WITH MY SMOKING ENGLISH :D
FIRST OF ALL IF I GOT A LITTLE MONEY :D I WILL START ENGLISH LANGUAGE KOLIJ HERE IN KEOLN:THAN I COULD ANSWER U PLL BETTER .BUT FOR NOW I HOPE THAT U PEOPLE COULD UNDERSTAND MY SMOKING :D ENGLISH
SO
WHY UR LOSER !!!? WHOS TURKS IN PERSONALITY !!!? turks peoples and regime always want to be othere peoples boss and stoll other peoples gold and imprialiern othere peoples erth without any shame and if they didnt accept such RACIST idea turks have always killed them and did genosid trajidia like armenia and kurdistan !!!SO UR A LOSER !
because we all know long time ago turks mogols had more land but not ur land other peoples land not ur home other peoples home and u pll always wanted to be other peeples boss or lets say other nations boss in their own home in thier own land but all that nations hadindt accept such RACIST idea und such RACIST mantalitet so as we see now u people had lost other people land day by day till now and it was all because of such RACIST mantalittet like mr 'Yavus Ozalp'.so now is only kurdistan to get back our own home if we take our own home back than turkey will be with istambul and some other nack erth !in other hand turkey will be not stratig for usa and EU any more and USA will STOP turkish frindship soon as they did already .! yes mr ' .yavus ozalp its all becaause of ur RACIST mantaliete and if u dont believe let it we will see as we have seen

SAY YES FOR FREEDOM
OUT RACIST TURKS REGIME
my young friend,
you really have problems.i for one should tell you stop hatred.at your age you dont know any better.who ever brain washed you about the dream of a kurdish state is very wrong.there will be no kurdish state or states from any part of TURKIYE.we have been there loooong time and will be there for a looooonnng time.so stop waisting your time on any hopes or dreams you have.have you heard of a north pole ????you probably beleive in SANTA CLAUS TOO..you should beleive this TURKIYE BELONGS TO TURKISH PEOPLE(that includes every tiny bit minoritys)Turks are not prejudice against nobody.people thinks like you been killing innocent people(including women and children for more than 20 some years.please learn more about TURKISH citizens that lives in TURKIYE or abroad.we are not what you think we are ...if you really want to know what you think about us take good look a croos the mirror,you ll see it.get your facts straight than blame ....
there are alot of RACIST GERMANS in germany(skin heads)that killed Turkish and jewish people.you live there not me.it was not turks that killed millions a jewish people.you live with a people that had a idealist prick named hitler.at least i dont live among those people that has the similar ideas .i wonder if you shave your head too.no wonder you called us racist .you live with them ,maybe you are learning from them.you probably getting mad now,dont get mad,we are getting even.be nice and more polite, people will say sardar is no fool now.for now YOU ARE THE BIGGEST FOOL. enjoy

[sardar]

yavuz ozalp]my young friend,
you really have problems.i for one should tell you stop hatred.at your age you dont know any better.who ever brain washed you about the dream of a kurdish state is very wrong.
MAY U HAVE LOOKED AT MY PROFILE OK AM 17 YEARS OLD BUT THIS AGE IS ENOUGHT TO SEE THE TRUTH !!!
SO mr ozalp some times am idiot and ur teacher and now am young and ur intelligent man .hahahaha STILL RACIST know it as ur name !!!and belive in me i really dont want to call nobody RACIST but if even my dad were RACIST i will call him big RACIST

my life kolege do u know who u call brain washed !? u just call smobeody brain wash and tirorist who fight and call for thier mom language..who fight and call for freedom for thier own erth for thier own home !!!...who fight and call for a free life !!! and on all of that i do accept ur independent home because u have ur own language own erth own culture own nation what ever but in ur own home ..so what u have i have toooooo exactly but all differenc well why should ur independent but me as so differenc totaly from other nation u just calling me turkish maotinise and u dont accept my own home as independent! yeah my life kolege if ur a human say the truth,give up tell me WHOS BRAIN WASHED ITS ME OR U ????!!!! if u peoples regime say the truth u people will give ur next generattion a better life yeah belive it man u will be a member of EU good eat good sleep :D


SAY YES FOR FREEDOM
OUT RACIST TURKISH REGIME

[aslveben]

gazete okuda biraz PKK ofislerinin kapanmaya basladigini gor,aciyorum sana, teroristlerin koruyuculugu sana kalmis galiba, bi arkadasimizin dedigi dogru yolu bul gel batmana, diyarbakira,kendi dilin konus ,,,,,yok yagma, sen TURKIYE,YE gelme zaten, sana irak layik, unutmaki bu sehirlerde turkiye sinirlari dahilindeki sehirler,
yazik ki kelime hazinendede idiottan baska kelime yok



with my smoking english

idiot show me in north kurdistan kurdish school .where is kurdish school in north kurdistan u idiot ? tell me ....u did wrote about freedom fighters( PKK )
ok as we know al-Qahida is a tirorist organisation grupe and they are every where forbidden but pkk have a big stition in europ or lets say roj tv .rojtv belong to ( PKK ) and its not forbidden its just in danimark and everybody knows that it belong to ( PKK ) when ( PKK ) is a tirorist then they will be forbidden everywhere! many times mangolian rigim tried to close ( ROJTV ) but they lost like always and rojtv is still running ( THANKS DANIMARK ) OK usa puted ( PKK ) in tirorist list and we hope that usa look after this wrong poleitic! we know that that was just a small stratigik between usa and mangolian rigim but that stratigik is not any more and when we get our freehome we will be the best believer country in middle east for usa , and we believe that soon usa will remove ( PKK ) in tirorist list >>> but ( PKK ) just by name is in tirorist list so look now in south kurdistan freedom fighters and usa soldat are just some mettrs far from each other and they have the same shop to buy cigeret ...Ahahahahah ( PKK ) have more then 600 stistion in europ and they are not forbidden !!! how could u say that pkk is tirorist look at rojtv Ahahahahahah...ur really idiot please go and sell tomata in mangolia Ahahahahha if u want i can give u all pkk ,s organitation Addres in eruop.so
idiot even now we cant use (NEWROZ ) word because theres no ( W ) in mangolian language .....u idiot mangolian why do u lie ? do u think people will belive in u when u say that we as kurdish cant understan each other idiot its just dialeckt ,then we are all one !!!!!!example look at germany we have ( hoch deutsch and plat deutsch ) and we can understan each othere but we have also general language for the whole germany ,and that general language was boren after nazi time .and after mangolian imprialism time we will also have a general language for the whole kurdistan as now we are trying to do it in suoth kurdistan .....!!!
say yes for freedom !!!
our racist mangolian !
just for info >>>>>Ahahahaha http://www.roj.tv

[sardar]

gazete okuda biraz PKK ofislerinin kapanmaya basladigini gor,aciyorum sana, teroristlerin koruyuculugu sana kalmis galiba, bi arkadasimizin dedigi dogru yolu bul gel batmana, diyarbakira,kendi dilin konus ,,,,,yok yagma, sen TURKIYE,YE gelme zaten, sana irak layik, unutmaki bu sehirlerde turkiye sinirlari dahilindeki sehirler,
yazik ki kelime hazinendede idiottan baska kelime yok


I SWEAR OF THE GOD THAT U BELIVE NOT ME ,THAT I COULDNT UNDERSTAND NOTHING ONLY (yok )I THINK IT MEANS (no or not )I HAVE LEARNED FROM MY X x TURKISH GIRLFRIEND AND WITH SOMEOTHERE WORDS ,SO I TOLD U PLL !1000 TIMES AM FROM SOUTH KURDISTAN I CANT UNDERSTAN TURKISH LANGUAGE MAN TYPE IN ENGLISH .ARE U IDIOT ? OR RUNNING FROM ANSWER OR AFRIED OF MY TOUNGE ????:D

AND IF U THINK THAT AM PKK ITS ONLY NOT TRUE BUT I LOVE THEM ALL I LOVE THEM MORE THAN MY MOM BECAUSE THEIR´KURDISTAN FREEDOM FIGHTER .AND IF I BE A MEMBER OF PKK OFCOURSE I WILL BE PROUD !!!
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM
OUT RACIST TURKISH REGIME

[kurdistani]

Ok I have read this thread... although much of it is racist insults from both sides...

1. Peters is an ex army general. He is expressing his view as a private citizen ofthe US. I don't think his plan is approved by the US government. Part of of having free speech is allowing people to say whatever they like...

2. There is aboslutely no chance that this plan would ever work or be even possible.

3. Generally speaking the Kurdish question needs to be solved in a democratic way and each solution should he designed for the country that it is dealing with. Kurds in each part of Kurdistan have radically different political cultures and each different Kurdish community needs a different olution.

a. In Iraq, an independent Kurdish state is the best solution. There are already the institutions of a Kurdistan in Iraqi Kurdistan. The political culture of the Iraqi Kurds is radically different to the politics in Arab Iraq. In Arab Iraq Islamic fundimentalism is the main opposition ideology. In Kurdistan the main ideology (even amongst the opposition) is secular. The biggest threat to Turkey does not come from a Kurdish state but rather th collapse of the Kurdish state. If the Kurdistan Regional Government was to collapse it would be the PKK that gained the most. What is more, Kurdish nationalism in Iraq is institutionally limited to Iraq.

b. In Iran the Kurdish question can be solved as part of a federated Iranian state which has federal states for the Azeri people, Kurds, Loris and Baluch. The fact that Persians are only a minority means that the nationalities will balance eachother out.

c. In turkey, the extremist nationalists have to get it in to their heads that a military solution alone will not solve the Kurdish issue... To solve it there must be Kurdish cultural rights protected and supported by the state... more democracy is the only way foward....

[pirate]

Turkish people are not racist. You know alot kurdish people work for the Turkish Army Forces. They have equal rights with Turks. A lot of different culture live in Turkey not just Kurds. So lets found Ottoman Empire again. But Kurdistan is just a funny dream in Turkey's territory. Turks can die for every parts of their country. We didn't let Kurdistan in the past. And we will never let it in the future. Kurds I think you should should stop being a puppet of America. This land is our since 1071 and will be ours forever....:)

[sardar]

we did a little discosion and lets ask A F J whos the winer :D u people have nothing more to say u pll better to take bag and go home :D in other pages discosion u pll type only in turkish means u pll want to hear urself only u pll dont want other pll to answer thats why u type only in turkish and ur a loser :D
SAY YES FOR FREEDOM
OUT RACIST TURKISH REGIME

[sardar]

yavuz ozalp]my young friend,
you really have problems.i for one should tell you stop hatred.at your age you dont know any better.who ever brain washed you about the dream of a kurdish state is very wrong.
MAY U HAVE LOOKED AT MY PROFILE OK AM 17 YEARS OLD BUT THIS AGE IS ENOUGHT TO SEE THE TRUTH !!!
SO mr ozalp some times am idiot and ur teacher and now am young and ur intelligent man .hahahaha STILL RACIST know it as ur name !!!and belive in me i really dont want to call nobody RACIST but if even my dad were RACIST i will call him big RACIST

my life kolege do u know who u call brain washed !? u just call smobeody brain wash and tirorist who fight and call for thier mom language..who fight and call for freedom for thier own erth for thier own home !!!...who fight and call for a free life !!! and on all of that i do accept ur independent home because u have ur own language own erth own culture own nation what ever but in ur own home ..so what u have i have toooooo exactly but all differenc well why should ur independent but me as so differenc totaly from other nation u just calling me turkish maotinise and u dont accept my own home as independent! yeah my life kolege if ur a human say the truth,give up tell me WHOS BRAIN WASHED ITS ME OR U ????!!!! if u peoples regime say the truth u people will give ur next generattion a better life yeah belive it man u will be a member of EU good eat good sleep :D

[logicuser]

I think we can make a similar map for every country.All over the wolrd countries inciludes different origined people.When we look at World Cup 2006,every european country has a black player who is from Africa,even French mostly known as the start of nationalism,it is true for Germany and spanish populated America too.But author never suggest this kind of opinion for Hispanics in southern Texas.Lets make a map for them in America...

I think it is not just because of author caring the Kurd or else,it is because of the World's energy source control.The goverment of USA will continue to suggest this kind of maps but Turkey,Iran and Azerbajian will nor let them go

[sardar]

[logicuser] but Turkey,Iran and Azerbajian will nor let them go



sice usa is alive who are u just tell me ?:D whats ur tecnologi ur sweet water ur lecker fish ?:D stop dreaming stop learning from kemal school .world is not like that as u kemals seen world god is still alive!!!

GOD BLESS KURDISTAN GOD BLESS AMERICA

[yavuz ozalp]

Ok I have read this thread... although much of it is racist insults from both sides...

1. Peters is an ex army general. He is expressing his view as a private citizen ofthe US. I don't think his plan is approved by the US government. Part of of having free speech is allowing people to say whatever they like...

2. There is aboslutely no chance that this plan would ever work or be even possible.

3. Generally speaking the Kurdish question needs to be solved in a democratic way and each solution should he designed for the country that it is dealing with. Kurds in each part of Kurdistan have radically different political cultures and each different Kurdish community needs a different olution.

a. In Iraq, an independent Kurdish state is the best solution. There are already the institutions of a Kurdistan in Iraqi Kurdistan. The political culture of the Iraqi Kurds is radically different to the politics in Arab Iraq. In Arab Iraq Islamic fundimentalism is the main opposition ideology. In Kurdistan the main ideology (even amongst the opposition) is secular. The biggest threat to Turkey does not come from a Kurdish state but rather th collapse of the Kurdish state. If the Kurdistan Regional Government was to collapse it would be the PKK that gained the most. What is more, Kurdish nationalism in Iraq is institutionally limited to Iraq.

b. In Iran the Kurdish question can be solved as part of a federated Iranian state which has federal states for the Azeri people, Kurds, Loris and Baluch. The fact that Persians are only a minority means that the nationalities will balance eachother out.

c. In turkey, the extremist nationalists have to get it in to their heads that a military solution alone will not solve the Kurdish issue... To solve it there must be Kurdish cultural rights protected and supported by the state... more democracy is the only way foward....
i would like to know what kurdish cultures you are talking about.i only know couple of them please enlighten everyone?
their presence of staying in cafeteria all day and sending their wiwes to work.
or having three wiwes and 15 kids and asking local goverment for help,
or maybe going a cross the border to bring illegal stuff are the some i know....
turkish people dont treat anyone different and if you or someone thinks that kurdish or any other minority is going to get treaded different you are mistaken.
you really dont know anything about it.instead of reading some lobbyst news or watching tv.dont really give you enough info.
everyone lives in TURKIYE are under the name TURKISH and they are all equal.that includes probably 70 some minority.some outsiders trying to escalade or create a problem,but they will not succeed.all for one one for all.you cant divide TURKEY.TURKEY belongs to its citizens .look at the history books.some foreign goverment or agency do not want peace in middle east.i wonder why.iran , irak ,palestine,israel,now lebanon think about it ....
who is supporting who than decide.instead ,look for the answer to stop this bloodshed.innocent bystanders getting killed daily you guys are after a dream
that is not going to happen.open your eyes widely you ll see someone is using you. sincerely

[kurdistani]

Sardar the ignorant/naive/brain washed/RACIST/VERY YOUNG FRIEND
im calling you a friend ,because i dont like to curse or give you any other name.please study,learn about TURKIYE and TURKISH people.We are not as bad as you think.we dont label people the way you do.
we may not be perfect but getting there.
we are the best that you can find.

My friend it seems to me that you are the ignorent one... you should learn about the Kurds and what they have suffered in the Republican period to understand the root of terrorism...



we dont stab anyone or any minority inthe back,your kind do

Ataturk promised cultural freedom (i.e use of the Kurdish language and regional autonomy) to the Kurds in order to support the war against greece in 1920. However, he stabbed the Kurds in the back and closed at there cultural societies the first change he had...

we dont sell out.

Turkey has been a key to US power in the middle east. It was a member of the NATO and allowed nukes to be stationed on its terriory. IT has been a base of US troops fro years... Not to mention the fact that since the mid 1996 Turkey has been one of Israelis main allies...

we give you hand you want our arm/you cant succeed.

Racist nonesense

we dont kill innocent people,your kind do

Read any objective human rights report... The Turkish army has been at least as bad as the PKK in willing woman and children...

we dont hit the villages and force people to get a food e t c.

No the Turkish army burns them down...

we dont put bombs on the main roads to kill military persons.

well according to the Turkish press... some former generals now involved with MHP have been doing exactly that...
Oh... and the Palestinians also do that...

we dont deny where we come from

What do you mean?

we are peacefull until you push..continue you ll see it.
All people are peaceful until pushed...
The Turkish state is authoritarian

our ancestors gave us great lessons .we are following their foot steps i suggest you do the same.
?

we dont teach hate your kind do.

You seem to be full of hate... no me... You are the one making generalisations about a whole people.. without know the slightest thing about Kurds... chauvanistist nonesense you pick up from the gutter in IStanbul...

and last one for today.......Turkiye belongs to Turkish citizens...

It should do... but it only seems to belog to Turks and those who deny there origins as non Turks... not everyone...

[aligurkankaraaslan]

I really don't know what shall i write to.
The ones that want a war for free!! kurdistan. I am really wondering what the problem is. What are the things that you can't make them real. Freedom? You are free as the other fifty race in Türkiye. Language? You can speak, publish or educate in kurdish. Education? The same No one forbids you from that.Work? You are free to make any kind of business except the ones that are forbidden to all of us. Politics? Be a member of TBMM, be prime minister ( By elections of course)Vacation? Go to everywhere you are free to go. Wellfare? Do you know that the most important part of hard-earned money goes to south-east part of Türkiye. So what... What is your problem.
And last but not the least there are nearly 10 million people in Türkiye that sharing kurdish and turkish blood like me. What is your plans for us?

PEACE!!!!

The ones who break the peace will be punished sooner or later

Read if you missed it.

[gsoylemez]

Whoever suggested this new map is very disrespectful of other countries' sovereignty! I cannot believe someone dared to suggest this. Turkey is an ally of the US for many many years. It has internationally accepted borders ever since WW1. There are free elections, social services, investments, and so on inside the borders. It is a democratic country!

Clearly, the person who drew the map doesn't know anything about history and politics. What would everyone think if someone drew a map tomorrow, giving half of California and Texas to Mexico? You CANNOT redraw borders by taking away land from countries that are sovereign democratic countries! It's simply not right to even suggest it!

An additional point I'd like to make is that Turkey (a NATO and UN member) is a country fighting against terrorism for 30 years. This terrorist group killed as far as I remember 30,000 people. (http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/kurds.htm) The leader was caught and now is in jail for life. Now, no one has the right to say that those terrorist acts were just in anyway shape or form because they killed Turkish citizens within the borders of Turkey. The US should seek all the support it can get from Turkey to stabilize the region and spread democracy. After all, Turkey is the only democtratic modern muslim country in the region that knows how to fight against terrorism!

[Claire Paque]

As a European, a French national based in Paris, and maybe representing the "Old Europe", I have a simple answer to Mr Peters' article, that derives from the facts as we know them of the USA and its local ally Israel "bringing democracy to the M-East"... at the end of a tank barrel: in a few years' time, 4 countries have been brought to ruins (Afghanistan, population of 30 mn; Iraq, population of 29 mn; Palestine, population of 3 mn + 5 mn refugees; and now Lebanon, population of 3 mn = total of 66+ million people that are left without a state, without a home to live in, and whose loved ones have been killed or maimed either by US or by Israeli bombs and various WMD). The US army and the US government have brought nothing up to date but destruction, death, bloodsheds, tears and despair. By having respect neither for the UN nor for basic int'l and humanitarian law nor moral values, by fabricating false documents and data to justify their action that in fact aim to either steal their land or their oil, by having created Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib, by granting Israel a total impunity for so many years, by flying over Europe and so many other countries people that are illegally abducted and destined to be tortured and/or murdered, the USA and Israel have lost all credibility in the field of "democracy", worldwide. So, my personal message to Mr Peters and to the US army and US govermnent is plain and simple: get out, go home, and stay put!

[osman]

International borders are never completely just. But the degree of injustice they inflict upon those whom frontiers force together or separate makes an enormous difference &mdash; often the difference between freedom and oppression, tolerance and atrocity, the rule of law and terrorism, or even peace and war.

http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2006/06/1833899




Dear sir
The armed forces journal published an article in june2006 under the name(blood borders how a better middle east would look, by Ralph peters)
The article is very important, the subjects are really has great effect on the future of the area and the globe too.
I am also one of the thinking minds searching for a solution for our selves and the generations to live as the human life must be. and to maintain peace and security for a long time.
So, I see the idea of changes is good, but the mechanism is not clear.
First we may think to find general equations, and then apply the general equation on different cases, then looking for details.
The general equation is the rights which have been decided by United Nations as self determination. The nations like Kurds, darforyans, bejas, Baluches, the azaryans should have a chance to make their state, and then the Israel Palestine peace should begin,
To legitimate the process must be based on many factors as below:
1-historical deadline: which is the real time that we use it as references for legal rights? From which year the right infringed? And so many questions need many different answers. one of the most important timelines is the Islamic religion propagation, from this history many nations suffered and inficted,like Jews in Yathrib and Makka and Jerusalem ,Kurds in Iraq and Iran and sham, the druses and moronic in Lebanon, Europeans in Istanbul sasanyans in south iraq,darforyans in sudan,bejas in Sudan the blushes in Asia ,the Azers ,the Pishtons .the Indians . All these nation were suffered directly by Islamic invasion to their societies. The Europeans also suffered in Bulgaria, Armenia, Romania, Yugoslavia, these nations changed to slaves of Arabs or islams for centuries under the Islamic religion impiry.
2-the recent situation: who are those ?where did they live? What they have? This matter is also of a great importance, to collect real data on many fields of life and the relation between these people with their nature. groups of watershed management spe******ts to be sent to the studying area that enter the border of the change .this kind of study bring a huge data on the wills and nature of the society ,then give rise to watershed maps which have great impact on the economic projects .
3-the real nomination: how to nominate? The changes must be legal and scientific depending on the realities; otherwis